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10:00 am - 07/21/2012

The Backlash of Blue Ivy Carter's "Black Beauty"?

It wasn’t long after a picture of 7-month-old Blue Ivy made its way to the Internet that the slander started. Facebook and Twitter posts lamented the fact that Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s daughter was starting to look like her father. There were mean-spirited jabs about her inheritance of his “big lips” and jaws, and prayers that a “wide nose” wasn’t in her future.



Here are only a few of the comments I saw online:

Beyoncé really screwed up, having a baby by Jay-Z. His nose and lips are never going to look right on a girl.

Let’s pray Beyoncé’s genes kick in as B.I.C. gets older. All the money and talent in the world won’t take away from having Jay-Z’s features.

Nappy-headed kid. Wish Beyoncé had married a nice-looking man instead of Jay-Z.

The criticism of full lips, “nappy” hair, and wide noses in our communities is weighted. Some people would have you believe attractiveness is subjective, but the truth is our collective view of facial features is tangled in the web of racism. In our social imagination, European features set the standard for what’s beautiful, rendering broad noses and big lips ugly.


Writer Akiba Solomon also tackled the issue in her article for Colorlines“On Baby Blue Ivy Carter and the Alleged Ugliness of Blackness.” She writes:


I knew if indulged in even a smidgen more about this little girl, I’d find myself walking among stunted souls who traffic in the idea that the full lips, large eyes, broad nose, and dark brown skin of a Jay-Z is inherently ugly [...] I hope, in our media-saturated, appearance-obsessed society that is still so wounded by white supremacist aesthetics, baby Blue will find peace and joy in the simple act of living, no matter what she looks like.


Demetria Lucas echoed Solomon’s sentiments in a piece on Essence.com, “Real Talk: Do We Believe All Black Is Beautiful?”:


If some of us are very honest, we’ll acknowledge that there are only certain “black” physical features that we as a collective find attractive. Curves? A blessing and curse. Full lips? Eh … depends on how full. Broad nose? On women, not at all. On men? Some get a pass, but not Jay-Z. Kinky hair? Not so much. There’s a reason most black women “prefer” perms, and even a lot of natural girls spend an inordinate amount of time and product trying to reconfigure their coils into curls.



It’s fair that some people simply don’t view Jay-Z as handsome. But when the public excoriates a baby for developing potentially “black” features, it’s our self-hatred that’s rearing its ugly head.




Source

Do you think your opinion of what is "beautiful" to you is due to possibly being conditioned to see it from the European standard?

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evilgmbethy 21st-Jul-2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
ugh what the fuck, people, she's like. A SIX MONTH OLD BABY.
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
right?
robotman 22nd-Jul-2012 09:26 am (UTC)


Edited at 2012-07-22 09:26 am (UTC)
jinxeh13 21st-Jul-2012 05:24 pm (UTC)
Right? My favorite comments are the ones that are like, "Omg, look at that fat face, and those big lips, ugh, that's not attractive." Like, 1.) she's a baby, she's not supposed to be "attractive," and 2.) again...she's a baby. They're generally chubby little fuckers for a while.
wristtattoos 21st-Jul-2012 05:39 pm (UTC)
ikr?
in_styles 21st-Jul-2012 07:34 pm (UTC)
Ikr
kidblinks 21st-Jul-2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
Please, that baby is adorbs. And who the fuck says mean things about babies anyway?...
evilgmbethy 21st-Jul-2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
seriously. I fucking hate children and even I'm appalled.
mynamehere07 21st-Jul-2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
Did you see the Jessica Simpson thread? :/
heartstopper 21st-Jul-2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
people on here do all the time.
chuk_is_dazzled 21st-Jul-2012 04:47 pm (UTC)
ikr
thirteencands 21st-Jul-2012 04:58 pm (UTC)
lawd
actxappalledx 21st-Jul-2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
lol ikr, what is this shock. have you not been in the posts about Hilary Duff's baby when she released a picture of him.
jeterluva 22nd-Jul-2012 11:59 pm (UTC)
mte
jay-z is not cute so this is not a surprise.
rubidium 21st-Jul-2012 04:39 pm (UTC)
lbr 99% of babies are hideous
bluekrinkle 21st-Jul-2012 04:40 pm (UTC)
Exactly. The baby is a cutie pie.
I'm not the type to fawn over babies but I'm certainly not hateful.
x_noisekisses 21st-Jul-2012 04:41 pm (UTC)
go to a jessica simpson post or hilary duff post. people are mean!
odetobilliejoe 21st-Jul-2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
Seriously, she's gorgeous. I was shocked when I started seeing stupid comments. In fact, I'm always shocked when I see grown ass people insulting children's looks. SMH.
itsalanisbitch 21st-Jul-2012 07:14 pm (UTC)
yeah cause babies are so pleasant.
latexana 21st-Jul-2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
I never thought Jay-Z was ugly as sin like ontd likes to pretend. he may not be beautiful, but ugly?

cumberbatch is ugly, with that weak chin, and small shark eyes, jay z is just normal.
evilgmbethy 21st-Jul-2012 04:18 pm (UTC)
lol small shark eyes
fuk_q 21st-Jul-2012 04:22 pm (UTC)
yeah, cumberbatch and that hiddleson dude are some straight up mutants.

it's like ontd is perpetually blind (or drunk) when it comes to men

Edited at 2012-07-21 04:23 pm (UTC)
misoras 21st-Jul-2012 04:25 pm (UTC)
yt men
nuravecunt 21st-Jul-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
god Hiddleson is the worst outside of his Avenger character
kwikimart 21st-Jul-2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
IKR?!

If we're gonna talk about ugly LET'S BE HONEST.
Jay Z has a normal face, it may not be attractive to everyone but it is what it is.
BC is someone people would have studied in Victorian times in a cage.
hollis1975 21st-Jul-2012 04:40 pm (UTC)
i gotta agree there. those are two unattractive men. ONTD needs to raise its fucking standards
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 04:46 pm (UTC)
lol ia
enid_keaner 21st-Jul-2012 04:25 pm (UTC)
I actually think Cumberbatch is handsome, but his lack of chin just kills me.
grammaire 21st-Jul-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
Agreed, Jay is far from ugly.
putyohandsonme 21st-Jul-2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
Ia, Jay Z is actually good looking to me, and plus everyone looks good with the lights off haha.
ectypes 21st-Jul-2012 04:34 pm (UTC)
agreed
wauwy 21st-Jul-2012 04:35 pm (UTC)
ia, Jay-Z being declared ugly doesn't exist in a void free of racial context.

Unlike Cumberbatch, who exists in a void free of everything, especially sex appeal.
redleigh86 21st-Jul-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
I agree tbh lol
luvallthis 21st-Jul-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
Ia. His features are harsh but I wouldn't consider him ugly as sin.
forbidden_john 21st-Jul-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
They're both ugly. It's not about being black or white. It's about being unattractive.
fay_of_sunshine 21st-Jul-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
cackling at that description.
soapboxrhetoric 21st-Jul-2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
i detect no lies
scheisse 21st-Jul-2012 05:16 pm (UTC)
cucumberbatch LITERALLY looks like an undeveloped fetus. like, he stopped forming in his mother's belly and just popped out. ew.
megalixer 21st-Jul-2012 05:19 pm (UTC)
jay is plain/maybe slightly below average to me, but definitely not cumberbatch levels of 'what is this creature even.' and he does have major confidence/charisma so I can see how he'd be pretty attractive irl.

that said, I have a hard time seeing how his features could work on a full-grown woman. blue is really too little to tell which one her parents she looks like yet but I think she's a damn cute bb.
reczko 21st-Jul-2012 05:26 pm (UTC)
i'm sorry, but i think jay z is ugly as sin. it doesn't have anything to do with his nose or his lips. it's just the whole thing. he is just really unattractive to me. i'm sure he's a nice guy and he's obviously got his shit together, but ugh. i'm sorry, but no.
xtoki_dokix 21st-Jul-2012 05:29 pm (UTC)
LOL oh my GOD shark eyes
I'm gonna have to remember that, that's very spot on.
mammary_glands 21st-Jul-2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
i think jay-z is handsome, especially when he grows his hair a little bit like in beyonce's year of 4 documentary.



cutie pie tbh.
evett 21st-Jul-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
Are there uglier people out there than Jay? sure
But is he good looking? no
tastelikegenius 21st-Jul-2012 05:59 pm (UTC)
omg he does (about the shark eyes).
quiet_storm 21st-Jul-2012 06:00 pm (UTC)
Jaz Z isn't ugly but he's not particularly attractive either. I like Cumberbatch *shrug*
foureyedgirl 21st-Jul-2012 06:01 pm (UTC)
they're both hideous
aisling_ducks 21st-Jul-2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
Yeah, Jay-Z is an all right looking dude. Never saw anything wrong with him, he's quite attractive.
godrevypoint 21st-Jul-2012 06:35 pm (UTC)
lolll thank you, cumberbatch just scares me
julialonso 21st-Jul-2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
You spoken the truth
yaoiworksforme 21st-Jul-2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
This was the comment I came here to make, thank you. They cream themselves over that ugly troll while making it seem like Jay Z is some kind of monster.
youbeboy 21st-Jul-2012 07:10 pm (UTC)
They're both ugly.
chainsaw_apple 21st-Jul-2012 07:23 pm (UTC)
Absolutely right
cadaver_andante 21st-Jul-2012 07:30 pm (UTC)
yeah, jay-z isn't really ugly at all.

and ita, cumberbatch is fucking hideous!
swissbeauty23 21st-Jul-2012 07:34 pm (UTC)
Jay-Z isn't ugly, I agree. Is he handsome? Gorgeous? No, but he's a far cry from ugly. He's an average Joe.
stellawuzadiver 21st-Jul-2012 07:44 pm (UTC)
Truth
akasha6915 21st-Jul-2012 08:57 pm (UTC)
ONTD only gives hot passes to wonky faced white guys with some acing and/or singing skills. Everyone else must be super attractive otherwise.
roxtarrr 21st-Jul-2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
Y'know how people talk about gingers having no souls and stuff? That's how I feel about weak chins. I can't trust a weak chin and I'm slightly uncomfortable around them.
wifeofset 21st-Jul-2012 09:43 pm (UTC)
I think BC and Jay-Z simply people that don't appeal to everyone else's aesthetics, but I don't think either is ugly.

I don't find Jay-Z attractive. But that baby girl is adorable and frankly, anyone who bitches about the attractiveness of a seven month old girl has some deeper fucking issues
kimberwyn 21st-Jul-2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
lol DYIN' at small shark eyes.

And IA.
arrowtoes 21st-Jul-2012 10:59 pm (UTC)
I love Cabbagepatch's eyes. As Sherlock, anyway, I don't follow the actor at all. They're blue and intense, and they're wide-spaced like mine, so I feel defensive of him lol. They wouldn't look so shark-like if they weren't wide-spaced.
muzicnem 21st-Jul-2012 11:48 pm (UTC)
They're both ugly as fuck tbh.
age_of_green 22nd-Jul-2012 12:11 am (UTC)
I don't get ONTD's boner over fugly white british dudes. Or the American young women's for them for that matter.
fuckyess 22nd-Jul-2012 02:46 am (UTC)
he looks like joe camel
reginageorge 21st-Jul-2012 04:18 pm (UTC)
can't wait to see what everyone comments in this when i would say that about 60% of the comments on ONTD about Blue Ivy, before she was born and shortly after, was that they hoped she wouldn't look like Jay.

Edited at 2012-07-21 04:18 pm (UTC)
lunarsole 21st-Jul-2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
lol ikr
trixx_r4_kidz 21st-Jul-2012 04:22 pm (UTC)
IKR! I was just about to say.


This backlash has been in effect for a couple of years now and I remember several (predictable members') comments about how Jay's face would fuck her up.
__nocturna 21st-Jul-2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
yup
misoras 21st-Jul-2012 04:24 pm (UTC)
yup.
pistol_eyes 21st-Jul-2012 04:25 pm (UTC)
MTE
thelovehater 21st-Jul-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
LOL you're right.
lovedhurtlost 21st-Jul-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
Lol yesss
kwikimart 21st-Jul-2012 04:30 pm (UTC)
M F T E
It's like that Kate Upton post where everyone was all "HOW DARE THEY CALL HER FAT"
um you do that everyday so...
nouvellefiasco 22nd-Jul-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
RIGHT. i remember when some 4th of July themed cover of kate upton was posted here a bunch of ppl were making fun of her body and calling her bi breasts 'floppy pancakes' (that was bizarre). then when the pro-ana blog did the same thing, everyone was all in a tizzy. please. bitches here be trippin and reachin.
wauwy 21st-Jul-2012 04:39 pm (UTC)
yep
sandstorm 21st-Jul-2012 04:40 pm (UTC)
MTE
angelmonster 21st-Jul-2012 04:48 pm (UTC)
ONTD is on their high horse now, don't judge them or you are (somehow) a racist!
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
I can't even imagine what ONTD as a whole looks like in the mirror. The things said here are questionable from time to time.
helders 21st-Jul-2012 04:49 pm (UTC)
yep
chuk_is_dazzled 21st-Jul-2012 04:51 pm (UTC)
lol yes
dreamofcoffee 21st-Jul-2012 04:56 pm (UTC)
MTE
xlightningboltx 21st-Jul-2012 04:57 pm (UTC)
Oh, snap!
thirteencands 21st-Jul-2012 05:04 pm (UTC)
lol mte. i'm glad i wasn't in those posts much.
sexyvegeta 21st-Jul-2012 05:22 pm (UTC)
preach
kimberwyn 21st-Jul-2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
true lol
whitegirlthin 21st-Jul-2012 10:31 pm (UTC)
LOL exactly!!

ONTD is so good at hypocrisy in the face of terror.
fuk_q 21st-Jul-2012 04:18 pm (UTC)
Seriously? Bitches are arguing and ridiculing a fucking INFANT for the way she looks? It's bad enough to do so when they are older, but when they're only a defenseless infant, come the fuck on.
baglady25 21st-Jul-2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
Are you fucking serious? SHE'S A BABY. And a beautiful one at that. Why are people such cunts?
anchors_oceans 21st-Jul-2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
lol at twin comments.
anchors_oceans 21st-Jul-2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
are they serious? she is a baby. her features are going to change SO MUCH. and again, SHE'S A BABY! i think she's going to grow up to look like a lovely mix of both of them and i don't even like beyonce or jay-z. these desperate people must be so bored with their lives.
a_new_haven 21st-Jul-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
And ALL babies have blunt, wide noses by design...helps them, know know, BREATHE while they nurse.
anchors_oceans 21st-Jul-2012 04:29 pm (UTC)
oh, i didn't know that! i know that babies can drink and breathe at the same time but that's all of my knowledge about babies lol. i was born with an adorable button nose and as i grew, it went from adorable to strong with a bump. babies grow. people that comment about a child being ugly are just bored with their own lives.
hollis1975 21st-Jul-2012 04:43 pm (UTC)
this. their faces are designed to nurse comfortably. she could totally end up looking like a cousin of beyonce or jayz in the end. ITS ALWAYS A SURPRISE
theotherqueen 21st-Jul-2012 09:23 pm (UTC)
That makes sense now. Whenever I'd bottle feed a friend's baby, I'd always pull it back and let them get a breath of air (although they usually would scream for the bottle) LOL
lunarsole 21st-Jul-2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
I don't really like kids but even I wouldn't be mean to a baby about its looks, WTF?

Plus, she's fucking adorable. Fuck "standards".
phillymademe 21st-Jul-2012 04:20 pm (UTC)
that baby is beautiful.

end of story.
caroolk3 21st-Jul-2012 04:20 pm (UTC)
Wish Beyoncé had married a nice-looking man instead of Jay-Z.

lmao idg these kind of comments.

Anyway, I believe beauty is subjective.
ectypes 21st-Jul-2012 04:35 pm (UTC)
this
whitegirlthin 21st-Jul-2012 10:32 pm (UTC)
With all the money that Jay-Z has, why would she want a good-looking man? Who cares what he looks like! That man's got money!!
jeterluva 23rd-Jul-2012 12:05 am (UTC)
Which is worse. Being with someone for how they look or for how much money they have?
arrowtoes 21st-Jul-2012 11:05 pm (UTC)
me too. Beauty is subjective even in my own head lol, if that makes sense..

Like, up thread Benedict Cumberpatch was mentioned, and all the Sherlock gifs were so freaky to me because of his face until I actually watched the show, and me loving the character totally changed my mind and as Sherlock he's beautiful to me now.

And on the flip side, when I find out a good-looking celeb has done something horrible, they look ugly to me. Like his co-star being a racist shit. I always found that actor so cute but after reading his comments he looks rat-like to me now.
demi32 21st-Jul-2012 04:20 pm (UTC)
Why the fuck are people attacking an innocent beautiful baby because they are envious of her parents. People in this world have too much time on their hands. There are more problems going on in this world than to attack and be jealous of an innocent baby.

Let it go. Stop being a bully. This is not even a story.
marley_love 21st-Jul-2012 04:20 pm (UTC)
that baby is gorgeous.

it's a sad world we live in.
freeze_i_say 21st-Jul-2012 06:40 pm (UTC)
this
jeterluva 23rd-Jul-2012 12:06 am (UTC)
I've never seen the kid except for the blurry photo that came out when she was first born.

But come on there are for sure ugly babies out there.
misoras 21st-Jul-2012 04:21 pm (UTC)
i legit think jay is handsome/cute whatever adjective. so the digs are unusal to me and i never thought of it in the way the article is claiming. makes sense tbh.
misoras 21st-Jul-2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
also, earlier there was this trending topic, black women's lines? the tweets in it were shit like "my hair used to be long but i cut it short" and "i'm 1/2 indian 1/4 irish blah blah". these idiots don't even think about why it is that people could claim that. it's not a joke and you're perpetuating the shit with your judgement. GOD.
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 04:55 pm (UTC)
IA +10000
winegums 21st-Jul-2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
sorry if there's sth I'm missing, but is there something wrong with black people acknowledging their mixed-race ancestry they might have?

I mean, white people get to claim they're half French and half Scottish, or half Persian and half sth else ALL the time, why is it bad if black people claim theirs? I saw Bey getting shit on somewhere else for claiming her part French ancestry, lbr if some white celeb said they were part European they would never be criticised the way she was.
hangthemj 21st-Jul-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
iawtc, jay z is a babe
originaru 21st-Jul-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
i think he's cute in the pic op used /shrug
odetobilliejoe 21st-Jul-2012 04:53 pm (UTC)
I agree. And I always get made fun of for thinking so. *kanyeshrug*
helders 21st-Jul-2012 04:54 pm (UTC)
i didn't even know jay-z was this indisputable ugly being until i started reading gossip blogs.
thirteencands 21st-Jul-2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
i never understood why people thought he was so incredibly ugly. his face is normal and quite frankly, i find him attractive.
winegums 21st-Jul-2012 06:04 pm (UTC)
I think he's a class act. That's enough reason for me to like the sight of him tbh.
_underwhelmed 22nd-Jul-2012 09:26 am (UTC)
ia, jay-z has also gotten more handsome as he got older
jeveuxmacaron 21st-Jul-2012 04:21 pm (UTC)
this is why i hate the jokes about jay's appearance
trixx_r4_kidz 21st-Jul-2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
ikr & they don't even realize it.
pistol_eyes 21st-Jul-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
YUP
black features=ugly smh
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 04:57 pm (UTC)
There is so much racially motivated shit in those comments it scares me. People really don't see how skewed their perspective is.

Edited at 2012-07-21 04:59 pm (UTC)
quinnthevixen 21st-Jul-2012 05:41 pm (UTC)
Iawtc
actxappalledx 21st-Jul-2012 05:14 pm (UTC)
i think he's cute, tbh. whatever, i bet the baby comes out looking really cute and everyone will shut up. shes like six months. all babies are ugly and weird looking until they hit a certain age
saffronshire 21st-Jul-2012 04:22 pm (UTC)
Do you think your opinion of what is "beautiful" to you is due to possibly being conditioned to see it from the European standard?

Once I saw a talk-show who had a shrink as a guest. She said that what is familiar to us is what we find more easily beautiful. I think that the more you are in contact with people of other ethnicities, the more you are likely to find them attractive.
ms_mmelissa 21st-Jul-2012 04:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but the media is dominated by white people and even the few poc who manage to make in the entertainment industry are people who are mixed and conform to the white beauty standard. It's something I'm becoming more and more conscious of as I get older.
saffronshire 21st-Jul-2012 04:35 pm (UTC)
That's very true, alas.
camillesaens 21st-Jul-2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
yes.

minorities seem to have this impossible physical standard in order to be famous in the u.s.

it seems.

like you would never see a hispanic as unattractive as say Kate Winslet get as far as Kate has.
luvallthis 21st-Jul-2012 04:59 pm (UTC)
That's true. I'm becoming a lot more conscious too. I didn't even realize it at first.
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 05:00 pm (UTC)
I agree with this. But I also think the entire world (to some extent) has been exposed to the eurocentric ideal of beauty.
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