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"TDKR" Box Office Gross Delayed + Red Carpet Premieres Cancelled

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Warner Bros., the studio behind “The Dark Knight Rises,” has decided to not report box office figures for the movie until Monday in the wake of the shooting rampage in Colorado at a screening of the film.


A gunman wearing a gas mask and clad in body armor opened fire in a theater packed for a showing of “The Dark Knight Rises” around 12:38 a.m. on Friday, killing at least 12 people and wounding 58 others. Police arrested the alleged shooter, James E. Holmes, a 24-year-old graduate student in neuroscience at the University of Colorado Denver.

Typically blockbuster films release information on how many millions of dollars a movie has grossed–and any records the project may have broken–every day of the first weekend of release, and sometimes longer.

A few hours ago, Warner Bros. released this statement: “Out of respect for the victims and their families, Warner Bros. Pictures will not be reporting box office numbers for ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ throughout the weekend. Box office numbers will be released on Monday.”



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Warner Bros. has released the following statement to E! News:
"Due to the tragic events in Aurora, Colorado, Warner Bros. Pictures has cancelled the previously scheduled personal appearances by the cast and filmmakers in Mexico and Japan on behalf of The Dark Knight Rises. However, in an effort not to disappoint the dedicated fans of the film, we will proceed with our previously scheduled special screenings for invited guests and promotional winners."


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foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 02:01 pm (UTC)
Dang. Dude messed up everything. I appreciate Warner Bro's consideration tho. I hope they don't let this drown out the entire movie. Don't let evil win.

Edited at 2012-07-21 02:02 pm (UTC)
jrh19782002 this asshole has ruined movie going for me.21st-Jul-2012 02:10 pm (UTC)
not even if the tickets were free would i go see it.i couldnt sit there and enjoy the movie.would be thinking somebodys gonna shoot the place up.
slapband Re: this asshole has ruined movie going for me.21st-Jul-2012 02:14 pm (UTC)
i went and saw it today and i was jumping in my seat every time anyone came in or stood up. it was especially awful with all the mindless violence on screen, imagining that it happened to other people in real life, and could happen right there in my theatre too
cricketgrl Re: this asshole has ruined movie going for me.21st-Jul-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
I managed to go myself yesterday and I was so nervous the entire time.

They had mad cops all over the Plano Cinemark though but still didn't stop me from being a little panicked.
forgethissmile Re: this asshole has ruined movie going for me.21st-Jul-2012 03:03 pm (UTC)
TBH, it was a one in a billion situation. Shit like this just happens, anytime, anywhere. We can't avoid the world. Malls, schools, subway platform, concert halls, bars, school dormitories -- all places that have experienced severe and tragic shootings. While I can get not going to this movie, or even any movie, as a type of "period of mourning", I just can't understand deciding that it ruins all movie-going -- that you have to be so worried someone will shoot it up.

I mean, if anything, now is the safest time to go to the movies. There is police presence and some places are even checking bags.
jmonkey3152 Re: this asshole has ruined movie going for me.21st-Jul-2012 03:32 pm (UTC)
Damn you are paranoid.
pamelalillian Re: this asshole has ruined movie going for me.21st-Jul-2012 03:53 pm (UTC)
i only go to the theatres if someone else pays but i don't care, i don't want to see this now. i have anxiety issues that i don't need to flare up.
lucynic 21st-Jul-2012 02:23 pm (UTC)
mte

he shouldn't have the power of scaring people out of seeing the movie.

i'm still going in the opening week
forgethissmile 21st-Jul-2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
I went anyway. I wanted to see this movie and letting this sociopath force me to change my life because of the horrible things he did? Fucking forget about it. The best way to combat such an act of terrorism is so keep on living.
i_am_a_nebula 21st-Jul-2012 02:02 pm (UTC)
They've handled this so well
whatyawaiting4 21st-Jul-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
It actually has been handled well. My head is still spinning thinking about it.
kalie_m 21st-Jul-2012 02:03 pm (UTC)
Were Mexico and Japan the only red carpets they still had?

Edited at 2012-07-21 02:04 pm (UTC)
winegums 21st-Jul-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
that and Paris, I think. idk if they had other European/Aussie premieres planned :/
chocoiste 21st-Jul-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
idk for sure but i think there was an australian one and one in japan
there have been other ones in europe already- there was one in spain the same night as the london premiere (lol awkward since all the stars were in london)
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
I'm interested in the answer to this question, seeing as I don't currently have it.
mondler_4ever 21st-Jul-2012 02:04 pm (UTC)
Alex Sullivan has been confirmed as one of the 12 dead. He died on his birthday...there is just something particularly cruel about that.
ronweezy 21st-Jul-2012 02:06 pm (UTC)
omg :(
bathstone 21st-Jul-2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
Jesus. :(
silentxstrom 21st-Jul-2012 02:11 pm (UTC)
that is so unfair. especially since his last tweet was about how seeing the movie at midnight would be the best birthday ever. D:
hotcement 21st-Jul-2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
i sort of really hate twitter for existing in times like this. like, it's just so sad and cruel seeing people who die unexpectedly's last tweets and a lot of times [like in this case] they're so full of hope or happiness. all this time i felt really bad about this whole ordeal but it's not until i googled this guy that i teared up for the first time. and this stupid motherfucker has 12 bombs rigged in his apartment and refuses to talk to police. ugh.
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 02:48 pm (UTC)
Awww. fuck.
anna_bea2 21st-Jul-2012 04:07 pm (UTC)
omg noooooooooooooo :(
andres01234 21st-Jul-2012 04:40 pm (UTC)
well, at least they were happy.... idk, that's some consolation, I mean, it must really suck to be miserable your whole life and then some bastard takes your life and you could never be happy
__nocturna 21st-Jul-2012 02:12 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I just read that... I was hoping they would find him, and it would be a small bright spot on this whole mess

Just sad.
banabee 21st-Jul-2012 02:13 pm (UTC)
aw :(
chuk_is_dazzled 21st-Jul-2012 02:14 pm (UTC)
so sad, they got the news during 20/20 last night and you could hear the tears in the reporters voice :'(
nemo_de_la_meer 21st-Jul-2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
Instead of celebrating their child's birth date, they now have to be reminded that it was the exact day their child was taken from them by a deranged fucker, who killed him, as he enjoyed something he loved. That's so, so cruel. :(
endingonfire 21st-Jul-2012 02:21 pm (UTC)
I cannot deal with the picture of his father. I just burst into tears everytime I see it.
sandstorm 21st-Jul-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
I can't believe it. That's horrible.
mors_amor 21st-Jul-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
Something about reading his last tweet makes it all even more sad. :(
thankshalott 21st-Jul-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
that is so sad. :(
bohemianvixen 21st-Jul-2012 02:52 pm (UTC)
It is heartless and cruel indeed, especially with his last tweet.

Other families get to grieve their loved ones on the date of death but celebrate them on their birthdays. But no, the killer had to take even that from Alex Sullivan's family.
harrypotterlvr3 21st-Jul-2012 02:57 pm (UTC)
oh no :(
colorstoobright 21st-Jul-2012 03:27 pm (UTC)
:(
mynamehere07 21st-Jul-2012 03:36 pm (UTC)
How sad.
yummyhead2toe 21st-Jul-2012 04:07 pm (UTC)
He was going to be celebrating his one year wedding anniversary on Sunday too.
kknee13 21st-Jul-2012 04:10 pm (UTC)
I'm so sad about this
ekrelly 21st-Jul-2012 04:42 pm (UTC)
so fucking horrible. :(
nyappytofu 21st-Jul-2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
fuck this makes me so mad i wanna punch the bastard in the face
fauxkaren 21st-Jul-2012 10:02 pm (UTC)
I cried when I found this out last night.

I felt stupid because I don't know him, but my heart just broke for his family. Seeing his father so desperate to find him and now knowing what happened, I just cried.
beating_heartss 22nd-Jul-2012 12:26 am (UTC)
They interviewed his friend on CNN right now and she was talking about how she looked over to him sitting next to him and saw him slumped over with blood coming form his head ):
jess_sayin 21st-Jul-2012 02:07 pm (UTC)
what a tragic franchise. Nolan put his heart and soul into these movies. very sad all around.
forgethissmile 21st-Jul-2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
I was wondering if the TDK-conspiracy theory people were taking this as another sign that the franchise is haunted/cursed -- but it didn't feel right stating it out as a stand-alone comment.
mynamehere07 21st-Jul-2012 03:38 pm (UTC)
I think I saw a post about the "Batman Curse."
x_noisekisses 21st-Jul-2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
i'm pleasantly surprised with how they are handling this, definitely the best way to do it.
addicteddisplay 21st-Jul-2012 02:10 pm (UTC)
same. even though it's really dumb i think i'll wait a couple of weeks.........
mister_novem 21st-Jul-2012 02:10 pm (UTC)
someone could shoot you in any movie though not to mention that security is tighter than ever. There were cops in my theaters in DC.
juniorquincy 21st-Jul-2012 02:10 pm (UTC)
i work at a theatre and there were two police there all night. i can't even tell you the stupid shit customers were saying throughout the night to me about this whole situation. after the 8:30 showing the theatre got so empty, it was barely busy for the shows after 10.
royan_rawss 21st-Jul-2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
At my theatre all of the matinee shows were dead and at 9:50 everyoneeeee came. I've also only had 3 customers mention anything about what happened in Colorado.
redsprings 21st-Jul-2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
Have any of the actors released statements? I know Nolan has, but what about the cast?
hotcement 21st-Jul-2012 02:17 pm (UTC)
i think nolan's statement was on behalf of the entire cast. i'm sure something from the actors will come out but not immediately.
chocoiste 21st-Jul-2012 02:17 pm (UTC)
yeah iirc he said he was speaking for the cast and crew
chocoiste 21st-Jul-2012 02:18 pm (UTC)
the actors may not be allowed to make statements, either by WB or their agents.
hannahstarr 21st-Jul-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
based on the fact that no one in the cast has released any statements, I'm assuming that Nolan's was on behalf of everyone and the cast was told not to make any statement
tammyinlalaland 21st-Jul-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
Gary Oldmen sent this thoughts and prayers iirc
anna_bea2 21st-Jul-2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
I think Nolan said he was speaking on behalf of the cast/crew
rabbitncavylove 21st-Jul-2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
bale just released a statement to hollywood life... it was short but nice
chocoiste 21st-Jul-2012 02:17 pm (UTC)
i'm impressed with how well they're handling this, and i thought nolan's comments were very nice.

i went to an 8 o'clock showing last night- it was playing at staggered times on three different screens at my theatre -and they were all sold out through an 11 o'clock showing- and my screen was packed. a guy in my row made the observation that some people have a 'don't let the terrorists win' mentality about it.

also, as we talked about a lot in the threads yesterday, it is unnerving to sit through that scene, and the entire theatre was on edge through that point, but there was a great sense of camaraderie (i felt).
rubie_dubidoux 21st-Jul-2012 05:10 pm (UTC)
Do we know which scene it was?
4815162342x 21st-Jul-2012 05:24 pm (UTC)
iirc survivors were on AC360 last night saying that it was the quiet scene with Alfred and Bruce in the Batcave for the first time. The reports about it being during gunfire and people not realizing were because the theater next to heard the gunfire and thought it was just part of the movie.
lovelylaura23 21st-Jul-2012 02:18 pm (UTC)
Am I the only one not afraid to go to the movies anymore? Maybe it's because I live in a hicktown in the Maritimes with 5000+ people, but what are the odds of it actually happening where you are?
chocoiste 21st-Jul-2012 02:19 pm (UTC)
logically the odds of a copycat for this are slim- someone with book learnin' on it explained it in a thread yesterday.
bathstone 21st-Jul-2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
I'm not afraid either though I completely understand why people would be freaked out/nervous about movie theaters after this. For me personally, whenever a tragic event like this happens, I always remind myself that I can't stay indoors forever to avoid becoming a potential victim. You need to live your life.
quotequeen20 21st-Jul-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
I agree completely.
chocoiste 21st-Jul-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
exactly
brynn__ 21st-Jul-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
same. bad things happen all the time that we cannot control as unfortunate as that is.
hannahstarr 21st-Jul-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
Agreed. Yesterday one of my friends said he didn't think he could go to see TDKR in theaters because he'd be too paranoid of people coming in, but I pointed out to him that this could have happened anytime, anywhere.
amazingtime 21st-Jul-2012 03:00 pm (UTC)
Same. I was so paranoid about leaving the house yesterday but I still left because I thought the same thing.
lowlighter 21st-Jul-2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
I'm kind of the same way. I don't think there's anything wrong with people choosing not to go see a movie (whether it's Batman or they're just like "not right now" to going to a theatre in general), because people need to do what's comfortable for them.

I feel like anything could happen to anyone, anywhere. You just never know. But that doesn't mean you have to stop living or doing things you enjoy. I feel like if this horrible incident stops people from going to the movies, then this guy got what he wanted and more in my opinion :-/
rogue 21st-Jul-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
no. i'm going in 30 minutes to see this movie and i'm going to see 2 others while i'm there. i feel like everyone else is having a perfectly reasonable reaction to this but it is 10am and i have been waiting for this day for weeks. enjoy your movies bb
baglady25 21st-Jul-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
I'm not, but these kind of things don't really keep me from going places I love. I was at the Eaton's Center a week after the shootings there.
kalie_m 21st-Jul-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
No. I live in a fairly big city, but I'm still leaving in 30 minutes to see TDKR and I'm going to see another movie next week.
winegums 21st-Jul-2012 02:40 pm (UTC)
idek, terrorists shot up one of my fav cafes in my old city, killing several of their staff and customers, and I made sure to go back the day after they opened again.

People were very much 'can't let the terrorists win' then too, the only sign anything was different was the bullet hole in the wall next to my table.
hotcement 21st-Jul-2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
i'm always a little scared when something scary and public like this happens. but, i'm in new york city and ever since 9/11, even though it's a little bit scary, there's always an overwhelming feeling of "don't let the terrorists win!" and i feel a little bit better lol.
sandstorm 21st-Jul-2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
Nope. If I'm going to die in public, I just am. We can't avoid death entirely.
leatherandjeans 21st-Jul-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
For me, I don't want to go because seeing the movie will remind me of all the people who died and were injured for no reason. I don't want to sit there thinking, is this when people started screaming and running for their lives? Or was it here? Did people start dying now? It's not that I'm worried about a copycat.

Eta: I will still see it in the cinema though, just in a few weeks instead of tomorrow night like I was going to.

Edited at 2012-07-21 02:46 pm (UTC)
mammary_glands 21st-Jul-2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
i'm not afraid but mostly because i feel like the chances are so low. it's kinda similar to the panic after 9/11 when everyone was scared to fly. my dad made us buck up and respect the statistics so that we could get on with our lives (we did a lot of traveling).
bohemianvixen 21st-Jul-2012 02:55 pm (UTC)
If I lived in the US, I would probably not go to the movies for a while.

When a bomb exploded here in a big mall, I avoided malls for about a month.
tebtosca 21st-Jul-2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
No, but I live in NYC and you kind of expect that you can get shot at any time just walking down the street, so it lessens the worry almost
tammyinlalaland 21st-Jul-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
I'm not...

carboni 21st-Jul-2012 03:24 pm (UTC)
I'm not afraid at all either. It's like the 9/11 attacks. It didn't stop anyone from flying. Just there is more security now.
la_fours 21st-Jul-2012 03:33 pm (UTC)
No, I'm not afraid either. Definitely sadden, but not afraid.
dmclaire 21st-Jul-2012 03:36 pm (UTC)
I'm not. It's horrible but shootings like his happen and it's not going to stop me from going somewhere that I love. I didn't stop going to school cause of school shootings or going to the mall cause of mall shootings.
evilgmbethy 21st-Jul-2012 03:58 pm (UTC)
I'm not afraid, but I think I'd be a bit grossed out seeing this film in the theaters, because I'd be wondering at what point people started getting shot.

but then again, I hate going to see the movies in general, especially when it's a packed theater.
whysoseriousbb 21st-Jul-2012 04:08 pm (UTC)
no, i think it'll actually be safer to go to theaters right now with police around and theaters are probably gonna start changing things around to make it safer anyway (searching bags, looking at the emergency exits more, etc.)

i know one thing though, i'll always be watching people coming in and out of the theater from now on
one_song_for_me 21st-Jul-2012 02:20 pm (UTC)
I saw it last night and kept watching the emergency exit, but there was security there so that was good. As for the movie, I didn't like it as much as I thought I would. I only enjoyed the last half hour or so.
surrounds 21st-Jul-2012 02:21 pm (UTC)
Listening to CNN, his defense team is going to play the whole 'he has mental health issues' to avoid jail time

ugh this sick fuck should rot in jail.
creative_candy 21st-Jul-2012 02:24 pm (UTC)
ffs. he should rot in prison
chocoiste 21st-Jul-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
i also read that he bagged an incredible lawyer :/ (which raises the question, at least to me, of where he's getting alllll this money from?)

one of the reasons i decided to not study law anymore was i couldn't imagine having to defend someone like this.
loony_moony 21st-Jul-2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Seriously. He had 2 roommates. No way he's rolling in it.
kalie_m 21st-Jul-2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
I really liked what the lawyers of the Norway shooter had to say about why they were defending him, “people must enjoy the same rights and must be punished by the same laws.” As tough as it is, everyone should have a right to a lawyer.
mammary_glands 21st-Jul-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
this will be a hugely popular case i'm sure. that's probably incentive enough for a big shot lawyer to seek him out.
tammyinlalaland 21st-Jul-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
His parents have money
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 03:17 pm (UTC)
They're probs doing it for the press. They'll get famous off of this. (sick, isn't it?)
kalie_m 21st-Jul-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
But wouldn't someone who did something like this still go to jail no matter how deep into mental illness they were? Someone who went on a shooting spree would still go to jail, but be under supervision, right? I mean, they are going to execute two mentally ill men, one in Texas and one in Georgia, soon, so I really don't think this man will avoid jail time, but maybe I'm wrong.
oracularist 21st-Jul-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
He probably does though?
dear_endeavor 21st-Jul-2012 02:39 pm (UTC)
there are mental health issues...and then there is being a psychopath. i believe the latter belongs in a category of its own as it cannot be 'cured.'
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 02:54 pm (UTC)
He should be caned daily. Not too much, don't wanna kill him. but he should definitely be caned.

Ugh.

/Needavacationfromthisplanet.
mjfan4lyfe 21st-Jul-2012 03:04 pm (UTC)
ugh psychotic =/= psychopath

that terrorist knew exactly what he was doing, if he doesn't get life in prison...smdh
jennomac 21st-Jul-2012 03:17 pm (UTC)
His plan was too premeditated, he killed too many people and children were harmed/murdered as well. He's not going to be free anytime in this lifetime. MAYBE they'll get him locked up in a high security mental health facility instead of prison but that's about it.

If he were in a state that had the death penalty, he'd be guaranteed the needle.
karrixftw 22nd-Jul-2012 01:35 am (UTC)
he shouldn't even have the fucking luxury of living imo.

idk i mean i appreciate the justice system in america for the whole "innocent until proven guilty" and no cruel and unusual punishment thing, i really do, but sometimes i wish there was a way to take people like this sick fuck and just shoot them.
yousaidlog 21st-Jul-2012 02:23 pm (UTC)
An adult on my facebook shared a status that said this:

"Pierce Morgan and Bloomberg are now tweeting about tougher gun laws...STOP! It wasn't the gun that killed these people. It was a crazy man! Chances are this crazy man didn't have his gun legally. Most who do things like this use an illegal weapon. Tough gun laws stop law bidding people from protecting themselves. These laws don't prevent animals like this guy from getting one. If people were aloud to carry a registered weapon, maybe there would have only been 2 shots...one in the air from the gunman and one in the gunman from someone who was carrying legally."

Such a fucking idiot. On many levels.
hotcement 21st-Jul-2012 02:27 pm (UTC)
that adult on your facebook needs to learn the difference between aloud/allowed and then s/he needs to watch the news because one of the first things that came out after they discovered the shooter's name is that he legally obtained all of his weapons over the course of the last few months.
yousaidlog 21st-Jul-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
"Pierce Morgan", too. I looked on the person's profile who made the status, and it's all right-wing, shit about illegal immigrants, etc. I cannot deal with these people.
jasmina12345 21st-Jul-2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
what a fucking idiot

this dude had all his fire arms obtained legally. Just like the V tech shooter, just like the dude who shot the congresswoman etc.

And can you ever think of a time when fighting fire with fire ever worked? Again, what a fucking idiot.

Facebook has a way of exposing ignorance of people holy fuck.
eggtard 21st-Jul-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
ugh.

also, didn't police say that all of his firearms/ammunition were purchased legally over a 2-3 month period before the incident? this means that he was able to legally purchase an AR-15 assault rifle. that's all kinds of effed up to me.

edit: agree with above

Edited at 2012-07-21 02:29 pm (UTC)
lucynic 21st-Jul-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
there was a congressman (R-Texas) wondering why there wasn't anyone in the crowd carrying a gun...because that would've lessened the body count...in a dark movie theater...after the guy threw two smoke guns...right, I'm sure that's what would've happened -.-'
therearewords 21st-Jul-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
... yeah. There are too much thoughts popping up right now.
bluesforgotten 21st-Jul-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
I don't understand how people who believe in keeping gun ownership legal think military-grade weapons should be legal for normal people to own and have in their homes. Like...I just don't understand how they believe owning a hunting rifle and owning something that will never be necessary as a private citizen is the same thing.
ugly_jacket 21st-Jul-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
colorado has concealed carry laws, it is very unlikely that even a well trained shooter would have stopped this guy with one shot with a smoke bomb and a dark theater. fuck that.
dynamitered 21st-Jul-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
oh ffs
la_fours 21st-Jul-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
lol @ law bidding.

People who make these arguments are so frustrating it hurts. And especially in this particular case they are completely wrong. The dude was wearing full-on Kevlar protective gear, so all that a gun toting "law bidding" citizen would add would be more panic, confusion and bullets to an already fucked up situation.

The folks with gun boners seem to care a whole lot more about weapons than they do about people.
bittermunchkin 21st-Jul-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
They really think that some armed civvy in the crowd would have taken him down like that? In a dark, crowded, tear-gas filled theater? Really.

When I picture a proactive gun carrying citizen, the image that comes to my mind is more often George Zimmerman than it is the person who stops a massacre, s2s.
mammary_glands 21st-Jul-2012 02:53 pm (UTC)
too bad HE DID GET HIS GUNS LEGALLY SIT THE FUCK DOWN. i hate people.
foreignhorsie 21st-Jul-2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
I am not bothered by people owning guns, but I do think the laws about how long it takes to own a gun, gun licensing and the caliber of gun one is allowed to carry must be tightly controlled. WTF IS HE DOING WITH A SEMIAUTOMATIC?? Like, SERIOUSLY AMERICA!?


WTF??!
pamelalillian 21st-Jul-2012 04:08 pm (UTC)
ok but he got the gun legally tho
honey_child 21st-Jul-2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
maybe there would have only been 2 shots...one in the air from the gunman and one in the gunman from someone who was carrying legally.

I loathe when people think having a gun makes them Rick from the motherfucking Walking Dead. There's a huge difference between shooting a paper target on a safe range and shooting a human being in a chaotic situation. If someone in the audience had a gun, they probably would have got more people hurt.

Edited at 2012-07-21 04:34 pm (UTC)
treradical 21st-Jul-2012 05:09 pm (UTC)
god i was on the AMC theaters page and there are so many people mad at AMC for not allowing them to bring guns inside to protect themselves
zeonchar 21st-Jul-2012 05:23 pm (UTC)
JFC... he did purchase the guns legally! And I just cannot with "aloud". What is wrong with this idiot?
iciegurl89 21st-Jul-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
Someone posted "Had someone been allowed to carry a gun they could have saved everyone's life"

BITCH just stop.
lovebats 21st-Jul-2012 07:10 pm (UTC)
besides the facts that he did get the guns legally, everyone was choking on tear gas, and we're in REALITY and not in a Rambo flick, even if someone had a gun on their person and were able to take a shot: a pistol wouldn't have been able to penetrate the full body armor he was donning.
shanny_w 21st-Jul-2012 08:28 pm (UTC)
maybe if he watched the news for less than 5 minutes he would find out he got his weapons legally.
jasmina12345 21st-Jul-2012 02:26 pm (UTC)
I appreciate the fact that the studio is trying to be as respectful as they can in regards to the issue but I'm tired of people using the movie as the center point of conversation in regards to this issue. The movie and the fact that the dude dressed up as the joker is probably the least important aspect of this whole thing. But of course the media would much rather deflect about the real issue here which is extremely flippant gun laws that provide the opportunity for nutcases like this dude to an equal opportunity to have a gun in his hands like anyone else.

But of course no one wants to take about that, let's just focus on the fact that this happened in a movie theatre and that it was during the latest batman film...

And this complete refusal of the media not labeling this dude a terrorist, which is what he fucking is, is just astounding. These arm chair psychological assessments of this dude, ultimately giving him an excuse or reasoning for his actions and therefore implying that he is absolved from the personal responsibility aspect is just....

I guarantee if this dude was anything but white we would NOT be having this conversation of the state of his mental health like it fucking matters.
eggtard 21st-Jul-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
ia 100%. the poor mentally ill white boy, what more could society have done to help him. (note: my problem is with media portrayal as discussed above, not the obvious problem with the stigmatization/diagnosis/treatment of mental illness)
one_song_for_me 21st-Jul-2012 02:35 pm (UTC)
ugh mte. If it was a POC you know it would all be how he was a thug or animal and how they are all like that.
crazyfruitlady 21st-Jul-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
What happened was terrible, but how is it terrorism? Mass-murder is not automatically terrorism. His colour had nothing to do with it - or do you think the Norwegian murders, widely labeled terrorism, were done by a black/asian man?
lucynic 21st-Jul-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure if he can be called a terrorist. Don't you need to have a specific intent? (overthrowing a government/make a statement)

if this guy wasn't white the media would have another "perspective" on this.

and I agree that ppl shouldn't be mentioning the movie as some sort of focal point of the whole situation
chuk_is_dazzled 21st-Jul-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
mte, the guy probably did this so he'd be linked to the movie-and its working "psycho shoots in a movie theater during BATMAN claiming to be THE JOKER" thanks media for giving him what he wants
bluesforgotten 21st-Jul-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
IMO, one major reason why the press focused on the movie so much so far (aside from it being a huge movie with violence, which has been overplayed but is obvious) is that they didn't know the victims yet at all - and when Jennifer Redfield's/Ghawi's name came up, they immediately zeroed in on her - they didn't have a way to put names and faces with the victims, which is what the public usually wants. IDK, I just think it's part of it.

I hope they release more about his "motives" soon.
oracularist 21st-Jul-2012 02:42 pm (UTC)
The state of his mental health does matter though.
loony_moony 21st-Jul-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
For someone allegedly mentally ill, he was incredibly with it when it came to planning this whole thing, including calling himself the Joker. I don't believe it for a second.
yousaidlog 21st-Jul-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
ITA

And I was watching Dateline last night when they were talking about this, and they finished it with, "A very dark night, indeed". Ugh, so tasteless.
bohemianvixen 21st-Jul-2012 03:07 pm (UTC)
He committed a violent act, but it is not necessarily politically/religiously motivated, that's why he's not called a terrorist. I think the analogy can be compared to assassination and murder. The act itself involves killing but the victims were different.

BUT I do think that if the killer was of Middle Eastern descent, I'm sure the media and a lot of people would call him a terrorist without batting an eyelash.
floetcist 21st-Jul-2012 04:07 pm (UTC)
He did not dress up as the Joker. I don't know where that rumor came from.
pamelalillian 21st-Jul-2012 04:33 pm (UTC)

he is a terrorist. it is what i am telling the younger kids in my family and i hope they go to school and spread that knowledge.
fraubluecher 21st-Jul-2012 06:06 pm (UTC)
As I said before, people were discussing the mental health of the Virginia tech shooter excessively. (He was not white) I don't know about anyone absolving either guy though, are they really?
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