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11:17 pm - 06/13/2012

Stop Whining, John Mayer: The ‘Ex-Revenge Song’ Is Nothing New



Aw, poor John Mayer. The singer/reformed ladies' man complained in a recent Rolling Stone interview that he was "really humiliated" by what he called Taylor Swift's "cheap songwriting" in the case of a biting tune the country superstar penned about their relationship.

It's hard to feel too sorry for him--because as an artist himself, he should know perfectly well that throughout popular music, the "ex revenge" song has a long history. In other words, you're in fine company, John; but if you don't believe so, let's have a look at a few classic examples of this songwriting subgenre over the years.



A good place to start is with Swift herself, whose relatively short career is a veritable theater for confessional songs about men who have made her feel fluttery/wonderstruck/pained/angry. Her ode to Mayer, which appears on 2010's Speak Now, chides him for messing with a young girl ("Don't you think 19's too young to be played with?").

But that's the least of it. She also accuses him of having "a sick need to give love and take it away," and--lest he not get the message--directly tells him "I stopped picking up [the phone] and this song is to let you know why."



Of course, this isn't Swift's first high-profile diss. In 2008, she socked it to ex-boyfriend Joe Jonas--who famously broke up with her over the phone--with "Forever And Always." Although this song is not as overall stinging or direct as "Dear John," she does refer to Jonas as "a scared little boy" forced to "run and hide" from her awesome honesty...oh, let's just face it, from her awesomeness period. (For his part, Jonas didn't take this lying down: He fired back with the tune "Much Better," in which he declared himself "Done with superstars, and all the tears on her guitar"--a reference to Swift's 2007 hit "Teardrops On My Guitar.")

Although Swift is unquestionably a master at pointing fingers at her exes, the first-place trophy for revenge songs belongs to another singer. That would be Alanis Morrissette, whose 1995 breakout hit "You Oughta Know" has served as an anthem for bitter girlfriends going on two decades strong now. The Grammy-winning song, which she penned about actor Dave Coulier (best known as the goofy "Uncle Joey" on '90s sitcom Full House), fairly drips venom as Morrissette snarls about her ex's new girlfriend. "Every time you speak her name, does she know how you told me you'd hold me until you died? But you're still alive," she accuses.

Coulier remained silent about the song for years, but in 2008 finally acknowledged his role in the composition. He recalled hearing the song for the first time: "I said, 'Wow, this girl is angry,' And then I said, 'Oh man, I think it's Alanis,'" he noted. "I listened to the song over and over again, and I said, 'I think I have really hurt this person.'" According to Coulier, the two eventually made up--but the song remains.



Nasty revenge tunes aren't limited to female artists only. Kanye West's somber, nearly 8-minute composition "Blame Game," from 2010's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, allegedly targets ex-lover Amber Rose.

'Ye barrels back and forth from sweetly romantic declarations "You weren't perfect but you made life worth it" to bitter, almost unhinged commentary about the pair's intimate life and his role in teaching her everything she knows (most of it not fit to print here).
Rose claimed in 2011 that she was asked by West to appear in the video for the song--also confirming that West told her the song was about her--but she declined out of respect for her current beau, Wiz Khalifa. A classy answer, considering the content of the material in question.

Finally, for purists, there is always the classic 1970s "ode to the ex" by Carly Simon: "You're So Vain." For years, the identity of the ex in question remained a secret--Simon dated many luminous men including Mick Jagger, Kris Kristofferson, Cat Stevens, and James Taylor (whom she married) who would all be good candidates. Believe it or not, Simon still has not absolutely confirmed who the tune is about, although in 1989 she admitted it was "a little bit" about actor Warren Beatty.
In 2010, news headlines trumpeted that the song was about record mogul David Geffen, who allegedly favored Simon's musical rival Joni Mitchell--a rumor Simon denied, saying she hadn't even met Geffen yet at the time the song was written.
The brilliance of never revealing exactly who your song is about? Well, then, all your exes can squirm for decades wondering who's the culprit!



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lalameanslove 13th-Jun-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
Put him on blast Taylor, you crazy bitch. Get that $$ honey.
imsothrowinabf 13th-Jun-2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
Agreed. That song is one of her better ones writing wise. He's just pissed he looked like a complete asshole to one of Americas favorite girls.
hearthecity 13th-Jun-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
mte, he's so shocked someone called him out
robertsbox_xo 13th-Jun-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
dear john is such a well written song idgaf
starbucks_patch 13th-Jun-2012 10:40 pm (UTC)
agreed, it's the best on the album.
invisible_cunt 13th-Jun-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
basically no
apparently teardrops on my guitar is about a dude she fawned over in high school who she didn't even date
squishinator 13th-Jun-2012 09:15 pm (UTC)
I think a lot of her songs are like that tbh. especially here earlier ones.
fauxdistressed 13th-Jun-2012 10:19 pm (UTC)
but that is the point of the song...that they're not dating. duh
elegantdisorder 13th-Jun-2012 09:02 pm (UTC)
I find it strange how she develops such deep feelings or even love for every guy she dates. I think she's the type of girl who loves every guy she's with, calls her friends up crying for a week after the breakup, then meets someone new and repeats the cycle.
sassandthecity 13th-Jun-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
Being surprised that Taylor Swift wrote a song about you is like signing up for the Bad Girls Club and being shocked when a fist comes in your direction.
lilo146 13th-Jun-2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
do you have any other ex-revenge song?...im making a playlist.
chantemarissa 13th-Jun-2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
Miriam by Norah Jones is my #1 revenge song atm.
howlcosmiclove 13th-Jun-2012 08:49 pm (UTC)
omg yes, that song is perfect.
jigglemypuff 13th-Jun-2012 08:40 pm (UTC)
Justin Timberlake wrote a few about Britney....
ellie_andrews 13th-Jun-2012 08:41 pm (UTC)
I don't know if it's a "revenge" song but I've always liked this

hearthecity 13th-Jun-2012 08:43 pm (UTC)
not my fave song of hers, but Kelly Clarkson's "Never Again" is so pointed that I kind of love it.
bssybuse 13th-Jun-2012 08:46 pm (UTC)
not exactly ex-revenge song but

invisible_cunt 13th-Jun-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
gotye - somebody that i used to know
dives 13th-Jun-2012 09:15 pm (UTC)
I was never sure if this counted or not:


but if it doesn't:
rocknrollroots 13th-Jun-2012 09:29 pm (UTC)
Ex-Girlfriend by No Doubt was written about Gavin Rossdale ;)
l0ve_bomb 13th-Jun-2012 10:21 pm (UTC)


autophanous 13th-Jun-2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
I love basement jaxx's 'good luck.'
crysmc 14th-Jun-2012 01:07 am (UTC)
Bust Your Windows by Jazmine Sullivan!
n0goodnik 14th-Jun-2012 02:32 am (UTC)
It's not as vicious as some songs, but this is about Ricky Wilson from the Kaiser Chiefs, lol.

for_serious13 14th-Jun-2012 03:43 am (UTC)
Carrie Underwood - before he cheats

dixie chicks = Earl. well, that one is more about them killing an abusive ex aka, it's awesome
melns 14th-Jun-2012 07:18 am (UTC)
lily allen - smile, not fair, not big
fairyonacid 15th-Jun-2012 03:03 am (UTC)
deathbytamarind 15th-Jun-2012 05:51 am (UTC)
Garbage - Special
Boomkat - The Wreckoning
Annie Lennox - Why and No More I Love Yous
ohkimosabe 15th-Jun-2012 07:41 pm (UTC)
best days of your life - kellie pickler. written about jordin tootoo (hockey player).
so_chic_doll 13th-Jun-2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
tell us more john mayer...

devochkazhenya 13th-Jun-2012 08:29 pm (UTC)
chile please you knew what you were getting into considering the fact she has written songs about all of her previous relationships.
mhfromnh 13th-Jun-2012 09:06 pm (UTC)
hell, she's written songs about any boy she had a crush on.
la_petite_singe 13th-Jun-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
THIS, seriously. I'm no huge Taylor fan, but really: IDG why people are complaining that she writes these songs when (a) tons of artists do it and (b) she's, like, 20. If it seems kinda immature, that...seems appropriate, doesn't it? She was writing about high school-ish stuff when she was literally in high school (or the right age, anyway). Doesn't seem that outrageous. I guess if she keeps doing it for every guy she ever dates, that'd be weird, but geez.
robertsbox_xo 13th-Jun-2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
lol mte. she was like 19-20 when she wrote most of her last album. most 18-19 year olds i know can't even use proper grammar.
hera_bearrra 13th-Jun-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
Adele writes about her relationships too and she's about the same age as Taylor but I enjoy her lyrics more
la_petite_singe 13th-Jun-2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
I have thought this many times. I'd personally say Adele is more talented, yeah, but still. They're both young & writing about first/early loves; not that revolutionary.
x_butterfly19_x 13th-Jun-2012 11:03 pm (UTC)
With Taylor it's impossible to dissociate from who the song is actually about. Adele's lyrics are kind of one-size-fits all
invisible_cunt 13th-Jun-2012 08:47 pm (UTC)
but that's the point
SHE DOES IT FOR EVERY GUY SHE EVER DATES OR LOOKS AT
whalewars 13th-Jun-2012 09:06 pm (UTC)
To me what makes it obnoxious is that she always makes it very clear who the song is about (all the other artists who are usually mentioned - Alanis, Carly Simon, Adele - are usually pretty tight-lipped about it), and apparently likes to make a game of it in her CD booklets? IDK, it all just comes across as wanting the publicity.
whossoulsister 13th-Jun-2012 09:19 pm (UTC)
she was like 19 when they were dating so i'm not sure what he expected
chantemarissa 13th-Jun-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
This story is so funny to me since I'm a big fan of both.
volovan 13th-Jun-2012 08:36 pm (UTC)
this!
I a big fan of both of them and I know that everytime i read an interview him i'll roll my eyes, yet douche or not I'll still buy his music.
dedradawn 14th-Jun-2012 12:31 am (UTC)
I hate when this happens. I'm a Katy Perry and Russell Brand fan simultaneously.
shesceltic 13th-Jun-2012 08:30 pm (UTC)
i loved when he was all "she kicked me when i was already down in the media!!!!!!"-- meaning when he gave an unbelievably ignorant, racist, sexist and chauvinistic interview and everyone got to see what a gigantic prick he is? ah yes john mayer, you are the real victim here.

not jessica simpson who was undoubtedly humiliated by his loud mouth locker room rantings. suuuccccccch a douuuuuuchebaaagggg
__xgirlafraid 13th-Jun-2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
exactly!!
jessiedwheelie 13th-Jun-2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
you sound pleasant
aleisha_xo 13th-Jun-2012 09:08 pm (UTC)
damn gurl you really want attention today huh?
chaylay23 13th-Jun-2012 09:14 pm (UTC)
lmao.
mynamehere07 13th-Jun-2012 08:31 pm (UTC)
I'll never be able to wrap my brain around Alanis dating Uncle Joey.

John Mayer is such an ass. He had no problem going into TMI detail with his exes; now is acting all butthurt because someone wrote a song about his douchebagginess.
manaconda 13th-Jun-2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
john deserves it and a lot more. he's such a bad person.
venetianglass 13th-Jun-2012 08:33 pm (UTC)
he's humiliated now? what about when he was talking trash about Jessica Simpson and Jen Aniston? he deserves whatever shit is talked about him.
manaconda 13th-Jun-2012 08:45 pm (UTC)
what, did you mean to reply to me?
nouvellefiasco 14th-Jun-2012 08:21 pm (UTC)
what did that 'sexual napalm' comment mean anyway?
msweetie913 13th-Jun-2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
i deleted dear john from my itunes tbh. i can't listen to songs that long
venetianglass 13th-Jun-2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
my former BFF has ruined 'you're so vain' for me and it's one of the things i hate her for, tbh.

and i love dear john, idgaf.
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