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Tomb Raider 2013 drawing fire for 'attempted rape' scene



Crystal Dynamics head Darrell Gallagher and game producer Ron Rosenberg expressed their views on reactions to the violent Tomb Raider trailer shown at E3.

In one part of the video, Lara appears to be fending off a would-be raper, kneeing him in the groin and struggling to shoot him when he pins her to the ground.





“To actually see what she goes through, to become hardened, to become this tomb raider than we know and love, or at least a new version of it," Gallagher told the Penny Arcade Report. "A big part of that journey is seeing some of the hits she’s taken along the way and why she had to get that inner strength and the inner core to become the woman that we all know. There is that sense of seeing it and being explicit about that. It’s part of the narrative.”

Rosenberg explained that the emphasis on Lara's suffering was intentional — and that their research into survivors of extreme situations revealed a common mantra: keep moving.

“You see that in the beginning of the game, where we begin to build her up and give her confidence to cross the ledge, cross the plane, she forages for food and she’s feeling really successful," Rosenberg said. "Then towards the end we start to really hit her, and to break her down. Her best friend is kidnapped, she’s taken hostage, she’s almost raped, we put her in this position where we turned her into a cornered animal.”

Tomb Raider, scheduled for release on March 5 of next year, is better considered as a reboot than a prequel. The Lara Croft that we've seen before is not necessarily the one we'll know by the end of the new game.

“They share many traits so you can recognize the iconography, it’s the same character, but it’s a more modern version," said Gallagher. "It doesn’t necessarily lead directly into Tomb Raider 1, with hot pants and a braid.”

"The ability to see her as a human is even more enticing to me than the more sexualized version of yesteryear," he said. "She literally goes from zero to hero... we're sort of building her up and just when she gets confident, we break her down again."

It's some dark material, the type of content you might not expect from an action-adventure game like Tomb Raider. But Rosenberg isn't worried about alarming people too much. He says players will see right away that this is a darker, "more mature" version of Lara's story. He compared it to the origin story of a comic book like Spider-Man or Batman, saying he thinks it "has that feel to it."

"We're not trying to be over the top, shock people for shock's sake," he said. "We're trying to tell a great origin story."

GamePro Magazine came under fire last November for a cryptic tweet that read:
What does rape have to do with the #TombRaider reboot? Buy the 1st GamePro Quarterly & solve the mystery on page 49.

SOURCE

Nooo...not my Lara. Why is it whenever they have a female protagonist she gets or almost gets brutally assaulted? First Heavy Rain, now this... :(

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liberateourtime 12th-Jun-2012 02:33 am (UTC)
gonna time how long it takes for someone to make an insensitive comment about rape in this post.
unfadingscar 12th-Jun-2012 02:37 am (UTC)
It doesn't always take a rape, even if attempted, to make a woman stronger. I have so many thoughts and no way to properly place them on this...
unfadingscar 12th-Jun-2012 02:37 am (UTC)
and TR2 was the best, hands down!
ukbedeviled 12th-Jun-2012 03:02 am (UTC)
Yes, all I wanted was an HD edition of TR2 for PS3, not this torture porn shit. I actually like Underworld as well, but I may be alone with this but they could have picked up from that game to progress the franchise, but whatever :( I kinda want to give up gaming sometimes
toxic_glory 12th-Jun-2012 02:53 am (UTC)
Yeah, I'm pretty sick of how rape is used as a character-strengthening device or whatever for female characters. It's lazy writing, imo, and it's rarely done right. Mostly it just seems to add shock value.
alessar 12th-Jun-2012 02:58 am (UTC)
Gosh and here I thought Lara Croft was a strong woman because she was a woman with a degree, in good shape, who took some self defense classes and decided she wasn't going to take shit from anyone.

It would be enough origin for a male character I'd think.
buttercup31 12th-Jun-2012 04:00 am (UTC)
Came here to say this. Of course she couldn't be a strong woman and a fighter without having been assaulted/raped. How fucking demeaning.
violue 12th-Jun-2012 02:37 am (UTC)
INCEST, RAPE, SEXUAL ASSAULT

ONTD'S FRONT PAGE IS A CLUSETFUCK OF AWFUL THINGS RIGHT NOW JESUS
iheartfamke 12th-Jun-2012 02:39 am (UTC)
Don't forget the Celine Dion covers Adele post.
violue 12th-Jun-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
SDFGHJKL.;/.L,MKJNHBGLOLOL
grammaire 12th-Jun-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
um

Celine >>>>>>>>>> Adele
dandyinmypants 12th-Jun-2012 04:50 am (UTC)
cold blood-ed.
hotness3ya 12th-Jun-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
ontd is going over to the dark side!
fwee_prower 12th-Jun-2012 02:50 am (UTC)
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browniecakemix 12th-Jun-2012 03:01 am (UTC)
Incest?!

ay dios mio
violue 12th-Jun-2012 02:40 am (UTC)
Wow. Why did I watch that trailer?

That was fucking dark.
recordofme 12th-Jun-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
Of course because she hadn't already endured enough at that point to make her "strong". Sadly typical for a lot of female origin stories.
oatmealmonster 12th-Jun-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
I don't see anything wrong with it. I never understand when people are in uproar over attempted rape/assault on women when it isn't in a hypersexualized manner. If it was supposed to be sexy or arousing I would agree that it was wrong but it does not give me that vibe at all. Lara appears very nonsexual in the trailer. The reality is that it happens and if it is done in a way that shows how horrible it is I think it's acceptable. Brushing these issues under the rug helps no one. I also understand this is a very gendered form of development which, yeah, it makes it a little problematic.

With that said I understand why some people will be sensitive to it as a trigger. I totally get that, but I think that it is a more individual thing.

Edited at 2012-06-12 02:42 am (UTC)
oatmealmonster 12th-Jun-2012 02:47 am (UTC)
oop at me for not looking at it on a deeper level. I take back what I said to a certain degree. I totally agree that it is a very female-specific origins story. Male protagonist always start strong and just get stronger. Women start weak, get stronger. I think it is too hard to see women as strong characters without having them be a victim first. Sometimes I forget about that part because it is so ingrained in all forms of media.
crystalzelda 12th-Jun-2012 02:55 am (UTC)
Basically. It just sucks that every time a woman goes through something traumatic and dark that makes her stronger/changes her, etc, etc it's almost ALWAYS a rape/attempted rape. Ofc rape is one of the worst most traumatic things women (and everyone else) can go through, but when it becomes the go to dark origins story, it's like... was there nothing else you could think of. Come on.
guadalcanal 12th-Jun-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
isn't she already a strong character so idg this as development

Edited at 2012-06-12 02:42 am (UTC)
unfadingscar 12th-Jun-2012 02:44 am (UTC)
No this is Crystal Dynamics trying to do a complete reboot of the series. They're starting Lara all over. This is how she became the strong Lara that people know of.
guadalcanal 12th-Jun-2012 03:29 am (UTC)
oh

well

that's bullshit then
davejohn 12th-Jun-2012 06:49 pm (UTC)
thta's what i hate about it,
they should had created a whole new game with a new female protagonist
instead of taking Tomb Raider and saying "Foregt everything that has happened b4...THIS is now the REAL STORY"
coldmemory 12th-Jun-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
stealing this comment because its so damn right:

"Remember how Indiana Jones's and Nathan Drake's origin stories had to use sexual assaults to build their characters? Me neither." @brkeogh
oatmealmonster 12th-Jun-2012 02:43 am (UTC)
Damn I didn't even look at it from this perspective... oop. Sometimes I forget to put my society goggles on. I simplified it too much.

Edited at 2012-06-12 02:44 am (UTC)
oatmealmonster 12th-Jun-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
While that is the stance I took initially and I still agree with you, it is problematic that it is one of the only ways women get portrayed. Women never start strong, and to become strong men need to treat them wrong.
anolinde 12th-Jun-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
Both you and coldmemory have very good points.
rinygrin 12th-Jun-2012 02:50 am (UTC)
I really doubt that's their angle for including it as her character development though, still a sad reality we live in for those stats to remain so high. :(
heartina_cage 12th-Jun-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
But the idea the game creators are helping to purport is that a woman cannot be strong until she's been brutalised by a man, which is bullshit.
creature_of_ian 12th-Jun-2012 02:52 am (UTC)
That's true. But I feel like a lot of these rape-as-origin story are there to make audience more sympathetic towards a female character who kicks ass.
b/c apparently, being raped is one of the few acceptable reasons for a woman to be violent.
zemi_chan 12th-Jun-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
That was my first thought as well. :/
wonderwomanhero 12th-Jun-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
Oh my god do NOT watch the Indiana Jones episode of South Park. It ruined me.
heartina_cage 12th-Jun-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
Ding ding ding!
clairelittleton 12th-Jun-2012 02:42 am (UTC)
i wish i knew how to play video games, because this looks kind of awesome. then again tomb raider in general always has.
youbeboy 12th-Jun-2012 02:45 am (UTC)
Because nothing makes a woman strong quite like rape.
creature_of_ian 12th-Jun-2012 02:47 am (UTC)
OT but anyone know wtf is going on at TV trope?

The "Rape Tropes" page says "We do not want a page on this topic. It does not meet our content policy."
sessile29 12th-Jun-2012 02:54 am (UTC)
i have no idea but i swear i was done with tvtropes when they started so fucking literal with the trope names (forever pressed that they changed Cue Cullen lol)
widows 12th-Jun-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13337475620A51675000&page=1

"The current Rape Tropes index has been cited as having problematic names that interfere with our ad revenue. Thus, it has been generally agreed that any trope names that encourage the attitude of rape being acceptable need to be renamed."
queenoftea 12th-Jun-2012 06:03 pm (UTC)
TV Tropes stopped being fun for me when I saw how fucked-up the moderators and fanbase are. They refuse to ban people for expressing pedophilic intent and preferences because that would be bullying and bullying is wrong, despite young kids (13-14) who also post on TVTropes.
egalitarianmuse 12th-Jun-2012 02:47 am (UTC)
Nope, nope, nope.
ectypes 12th-Jun-2012 02:47 am (UTC)
I think including attempted rape says more about the men creating this game and the target audience of this game than it does about this female character.
improved 12th-Jun-2012 02:49 am (UTC)


From E3. Target audience.
fwee_prower 12th-Jun-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
you gotta do what you gotta do for $$$
heartina_cage 12th-Jun-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
Ew.
bodyline 12th-Jun-2012 02:52 am (UTC)
What in the world...
wonderwomanhero 12th-Jun-2012 02:52 am (UTC)
don't forget it's G4's targeted audience as well
dior_chic 12th-Jun-2012 02:56 am (UTC)
uggh I see the outline of it...
dropdeadpirate 12th-Jun-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
MTE
possevi 12th-Jun-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
I can't with this. Not now, not ever.
improved 12th-Jun-2012 02:49 am (UTC)
fwee_prower 12th-Jun-2012 02:51 am (UTC)
wut
improved 12th-Jun-2012 02:52 am (UTC)
I really wanted this game to be good and to have Square not ruin my dreams.
crystalzelda 12th-Jun-2012 03:00 am (UTC)
umg ia
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