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10:26 am - 05/17/2012

Someone bitches about the Avengers adopted line

The lame joke at the expense of adopted kids in the movie The Avengers isn’t just mean, it’s something perhaps worse: unfunny.

The Avengers has scored big at the box office. However, it has fallen flat with an increasingly number of child advocates across America. The reason? This exchange in the film:

The Black Widow character says, "[Loki] killed 80 people in two days." Then Thor, Loki's brother, replies, "He's adopted."


Ha, ha. That’s the laugh line. Whether you have a child who is adopted or not, the fact is the line just isn’t that funny.

Outrage is ping ponging across the blogosphere, raising the ire of adoptive parents in particular.

Some parents who took their children to the movie now report online that their kids were stunned that being adopted was somehow “bad.” These parents say they had a lot of explaining to do to wash away the stain — and in some cases, pain — caused by the line.

There’s even been a new Change.org petition, "Marvel Comics - Apologize to Adoption Community!" which calls for Marvel Comics to apologize for the offensive joke and pledge not to do it again.

The fact is that the line would be horrible and insensitive no matter what type of film it was in. But in a film aimed at kids, many of whom are still grappling with their place in their families and communities, this goes to a whole new low.

Want proof of just how bad that line is?

I like to do something I call “the substitution game,” whereby if I want to check whether or not a line is acceptable I simple swap out whatever word I have questions about with either the words “Jewish” or “African American.” If the line sits well using both of these, the line passes the test.     (wtf)

So let’s try that here to find out if people would think the line was so funny if these words were used instead of “adopted.”

So here we go:

The Black Widow character says, "[Loki] killed 80 people in two days." Then Thor, Loki's brother, replies, "He's Jewish."

Ugh…awkward, isn’t it? Doesn’t seem quite so funny.

OK, let’s try again:

The Black Widow character says, "[Loki] killed 80 people in two days." Then Thor, Loki's brother, replies, "He's African American."

Thud. Not funny, right?

The use of either “Jewish” or “African American” in place of “adopted” in this line wouldn’t have made it past the first draft of a script, let alone actually have been shot by a major studio.

The hope now is, of course, that enough media attention has been brought to this unfortunate episode in this blockbuster movie that such blatant ignorance and bias won’t turn up again.

Sadly, that hope is unlikely to match reality anytime soon. Far more likely, this line is likely to be joined by many other offensive, stupid, callous jokes in future.

Hollywood has increasingly become a place filled with writers who are insulated and isolated from mainstream America and who find sophomoric bullying humor that wouldn’t be tolerated in a middle school as a pathetic excuse for a career.



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Source:http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/red-thread-adoptive-family-forum/2012/may/17/avengers-attack-adopted-children-mean-and-unfunny/
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hawaii_bombay 17th-May-2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
I was expecting this.
egosumopacis 17th-May-2012 04:34 pm (UTC)
It's like the people that bitch about Portal because it cracks jokes about orphans.

Stupid people need to take a joke... also- The Avengers is not a movie for kids, PG-13 means you shouldn't be taking your seven-year-old to see it.
revelried 17th-May-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
my mom makes orphan jokes and she is one

it makes her lol
lovelydress2087 18th-May-2012 02:37 am (UTC)
It might not be a movie for kids but the people sitting in front of my took their four month old baby to see it. The baby cried the whole way through because of the loud noises and the fact that it's a four month old baby.
la_petite_singe 17th-May-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
...really

emesieremonde 17th-May-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
i feel like this is a situation of "learn to pick your battles".
i really don't get it bc i've heard a line similar to it in every major family sitcom...
hannahstarr 17th-May-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
I love Loki's facepalm in this gif
creative_candy 17th-May-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
ffs.
don't they have more important things to bitch about?
ahestele 17th-May-2012 08:17 pm (UTC)
This.
teacup_humans 17th-May-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
I like to do something I call “the substitution game,” whereby if I want to check whether or not a line is acceptable I simple swap out whatever word I have questions about with either the words “Jewish” or “African American.” If the line sits well using both of these, the line passes the test.

fuck off rn
superdogbiter 17th-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
i know
wtf is this bitch doing
la_petite_singe 17th-May-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
Seriously, that's not the same thing at all.
bostongirl2003 17th-May-2012 03:43 pm (UTC)
so much this.
harlem_nocturne 17th-May-2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
That is OSTENSIBLY more offensive than adopted.
iamaunicorn 17th-May-2012 02:52 pm (UTC)
lol mte, bc jokingly pointing out that somebody isn't actually related to you is the same thing as stereotyping them racially...
justrachna 17th-May-2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
Seriously, why did this idiot actually think it is okay to equate the two?
jessickah 17th-May-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
You could substitute words in any situation or context. This is so ridiculous.
redglare 17th-May-2012 03:09 pm (UTC)
betting the writer is christian/white tbh
ebenista 17th-May-2012 03:15 pm (UTC)
this fool needs to go back to school
hergun_wentbang 17th-May-2012 03:28 pm (UTC)
uhhhhhhh. okay so what if I said, "well she likes to dance cause she's a dancer, obviously!" then replace dancer with african american. IT DOESN'T SIT WELL SO THE FIRST LINE IS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE.
shoutingasong 17th-May-2012 04:00 pm (UTC)
jfc.
generationxwing 17th-May-2012 04:12 pm (UTC)
....I ..

What?
nicolesnitchie 17th-May-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
god ikr
xdecadentx 17th-May-2012 04:56 pm (UTC)
Seriously, HOW is that the same?
pastelstar 17th-May-2012 09:06 pm (UTC)
MTE
de_throned 17th-May-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
lololol I knew someone was going to get butthurt eventually
ohsnapohsnap 17th-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)


u tried it
turi 17th-May-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
lol
starchain 17th-May-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
the player is a dick
redsprings 17th-May-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
Lol, did that asshole seriously throw it to someone else?
darkwarrior 17th-May-2012 02:49 pm (UTC)
Looks like he threw it at the guy holding her so he'd drop her.
hawaii_bombay 17th-May-2012 02:38 pm (UTC)
LOL
liferule91 17th-May-2012 02:46 pm (UTC)
dead.
lovedhurtlost 17th-May-2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
Lol
tsuki_yagami 17th-May-2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
I feel bad for laughing but lol
ruby_winchester 17th-May-2012 03:11 pm (UTC)
lol wow what a douche
thewunderland 17th-May-2012 03:31 pm (UTC)
omg,I don't feel bad about laughing but that guy is such an asshole
nicolesnitchie 17th-May-2012 04:27 pm (UTC)
lmao
nunya_b 17th-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
if only i could post a .gif of my rolling eyes
cickiz 17th-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
i knew this would happen
smallaffair 17th-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
lol really

Edited at 2012-05-17 02:31 pm (UTC)
winegums 18th-May-2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
late but picturing Queen Mary rme @this, <3 her.
darkwarrior 17th-May-2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
The comparison is disingenuous. Replacing it with Jewish or Black makes it sound like he's blaming it on some inherent nature to kill 80 people, he is not doing that. He's distancing himself from Loki's actions by saying they're not THAT related.
kissoffools 17th-May-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
mte
starchain 17th-May-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
couldn't have said it better myself
empirebird 17th-May-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
gfto with your logic
chuk_is_dazzled 17th-May-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
exactly
aetter 17th-May-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
THIS. I love the movie and don't mind people pointing out its flaws, but come on, this is just comprehension fail.
supersyncspaz7 17th-May-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
Exactly.
maisontv 17th-May-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
Exactly
jujubaby94 17th-May-2012 02:42 pm (UTC)
exactly. how are people not understanding this
sastra_fuss 17th-May-2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
But then that's saying you're not really family if you're not blood related.
darkwarrior 17th-May-2012 03:01 pm (UTC)
Well thankfully the rest of the film backs up how much Thor loves his brother. It's Loki who rejects their relationship because he is adopted, not Thor.
xbellaxmiax 17th-May-2012 03:11 pm (UTC)
no, you're just not physically related so there's more chance of looking and being different- being different doesn't mean you're not family
hobnailedboots 17th-May-2012 03:04 pm (UTC)
yes, this
gracefulstalker 17th-May-2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
This.
hazel_belle 17th-May-2012 03:11 pm (UTC)
perfect comment.
ruby_winchester 17th-May-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
mte
modern_toilet 17th-May-2012 03:17 pm (UTC)
exxxxxactamundo
ebenista 17th-May-2012 03:18 pm (UTC)
you own way more than two brain cells and it's not the case of the author...
sandstorm 17th-May-2012 03:27 pm (UTC)
It startles me that the author - presumably, an adult - cannot realize this.
generationxwing 17th-May-2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
Exactly. Jesus christ, people get butthurt over anything.
thruyourveins 18th-May-2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
ia
skeet_skeet 17th-May-2012 02:32 pm (UTC)
*sigh*

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
browniecakemix 19th-May-2012 12:29 am (UTC)
EXCEPT WHEN IT ISN'T

lol jk this is ridiculous but I love that quote so much because lbr a cigar was never just a cigar in Freud's book
lokiyan 17th-May-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
ebenista 17th-May-2012 03:18 pm (UTC)
perfect gif!
empirebird 17th-May-2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
I was waiting for this to pop up.
waltzing_mice 17th-May-2012 04:29 pm (UTC)
~icon love~
empirebird 17th-May-2012 04:38 pm (UTC)
ty!
open_the_blinds 17th-May-2012 06:18 pm (UTC)
Icon twin. (Almost.)
mingemonster 17th-May-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
lol wut

i can understand that people are offended (lord knows there's plenty to be offended by in that film) but that comparison...
empirebird 17th-May-2012 02:35 pm (UTC)
There's nothing to be offended by. FLAWLESS MOVIE IS FLAWLESS.
mingemonster 17th-May-2012 02:36 pm (UTC)
hi joss! i didn't know you went here
hannahstarr 17th-May-2012 03:04 pm (UTC)
FLAWLESS MOVIE IS FLAWLESS

This was the exact tweet I made after seeing the movie. You have good taste bb!
thesegoto11 17th-May-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
mfte

hiiiii bb! long time no see
whysoseriousbb 17th-May-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
what do you find offensive about it?
xbellaxmiax 17th-May-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
what's so offensive?
jeveuxmacaron 17th-May-2012 02:34 pm (UTC)
the movie is something ontd stans for atm so everyone's going to call it reaching

but if kim kardashian said it everyone would be going for her throat

you can still like this film and admit the line was problematic, jfc
xxxquothxxx 17th-May-2012 02:35 pm (UTC)
lol ikr
revertigo 17th-May-2012 02:39 pm (UTC)
wait if we can't joke about inappropriate things what do we joke about
jeveuxmacaron 17th-May-2012 02:42 pm (UTC)
i like to joke about people who make inappropriate jokes. so meta tbh.
zombeats 17th-May-2012 11:32 pm (UTC)
perfect user pic
vanmeeuwe 19th-May-2012 09:58 am (UTC)
This.
laissier 17th-May-2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
I don't think you understood the line at all.
starchain 17th-May-2012 02:44 pm (UTC)
I like the film and I can admit that the german thing was problematic but this is not what they're making it to be.
It would be offensive if "adopted" was the reason used to explain why he killed 80 people. Instead "adopted" was the word used by Thor, a norse character who knows nothing about Earth's political correctness, to distance himself from his killer brother.
rlmoonyk 17th-May-2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
why would she ever say a line like this?

stop. tired of people saying "well if so and so celebrity said this you'd attack them" not really but nice try
thishollywood 17th-May-2012 04:33 pm (UTC)
I hear you. Usually this comm is all about "If you are not X, then you don't get to say if you do/don't find this thing talking about X-ppl offensive." I've only gone through the first page, but so far I don't see any comments being like "Well I'm adopted and I think..." Just more typical ONTD-hypocrisy at work.
ifuckingluvya 17th-May-2012 04:52 pm (UTC)
Mte. I thought it was pretty distasteful :/
sessile29 17th-May-2012 09:09 pm (UTC)
right? it's not a good line, and it's not totally outside the realm of possibility that a kid who was adopted would be a little hurt by it. why is this such a bad fucking thing to admit? christ.
vanmeeuwe 19th-May-2012 10:03 am (UTC)
Oh shut up.

This is the dumbest argument I've read. There's nothing "problematic" about it at all and given the context in which the line was said, there was nothing offensive about this at all.
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