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8:28 pm - 05/15/2012

The 10 Biggest Differences Between 'Game of Thrones' and the books


When you play the game of fans, you win or you die. Die-hard devotees of author George R.R. Martin's epic-fantasy book series A Song of Ice and Fire, the basis for HBO's smash-hit Game of Thrones, have found themselves divided over the changes the show's second season has made to the source material, even as the show earns its best ratings and reviews to date. Should the show remain the books' loyal bannerman, or strike out on its own? Watch as we run down the 10 biggest changes from the book series' second volume A Clash of Kings to the second season so far and render our verdict King Joffrey-style.



10. Hot Stannis-on-Melisandre Action

THE CHANGE: Are they or aren't they? That question hovers in the background of every scene involving King Stannis Baratheon and his right-hand wizard-woman Melisandre in the novel. Yes, they spend a lot of time alone together, and yes, the shadow baby Melisandre delivers looks a lot like Stannis, but it's up to characters like Ser Davos, and to the readers, to do the math. In the show, the relationship is sex-on-table-tops explicit.

THE VERDICT: Fair play. Stannis and Melisandre making the beast with two backs on top of the Baratheon battle board ("Gentlemen, you can't fuck in here – this is the War Room!") may not have happened before our eyes in A Clash of Kings, the series' second installment and the basis for much of Season Two…but it did happen, or at least something very much like it. The presentation was campy, yeah, but a little camp never hurt anyone. Meanwhile, Season One took the similarly subtextual relationship between Renly Baratheon and Ser Loras Tyrell and made it an open part of the show, to equally entertaining effect, and what's good for one brother is good for the other (well, for the most part).


9. The Fall of Winterfell

THE CHANGE: Just like poor old muttonchop enthusiast Ser Rodrik Cassel, the Winterfell storyline took a lot of little cuts rather than just one or two big ones. A handful of important characters never show up – Jojen and Meera Reed, the teen children of Ned Stark’s swamp-dwelling bannerman and best friend; Big Walder Frey and Little Walder Frey, descendants of the irasciable Lord of the Crossing whose daughter Robb is sworn to marry; Reek, a foul-smelling serial killer locked up in Winterfell’s dungeons – and it’s left to mainstays like Bran, Osha, and Theon to fill in the gaps.

THE VERDICT: I miss Reek and the Reeds (fuck the Walders), I don’t know why Osha had to seduce Theon to escape, and just like in Season One I think Bran’s budding psychic powers have been drastically underplayed. But these are mostly minor complaints, washed away in the magnificent sequence in which Theon conquers Winterfell, cements his rule, and most likely seals his own doom by killing Ser Rodrik. Both Rodrik’s death and the botched beheading come from different parts of the books involving different executioners, but using them here made perfect thematic sense and created the second season’s most powerful sequence.


8. Wildling Out

THE CHANGE: Jon Snow's experiences with the wildlings north of the Wall are a good deal wilder here than they are in A Clash of Kings. His disaster with Craster is a new invention – in the books he doesn't witness the incestuous old fucker's sacrifice of a newborn to a White Walker, that's for sure, nor does he get brained by the guy for his troubles. The chase scene and bump-and-grind with the charmingly blunt warrior-woman Ygritte never happens either, since Jon deliberately lets her go rather than executing her.

THE VERDICT: Not feeling this one. Jon's chase scenes amp up the adrenaline at the expense of the story's slow build and narrative cohesion. Like, shouldn't it be a bigger deal that an actual White Walker came within yards of the Night's Watch's expeditionary force? Couldn't he have just skipped the baby and killed the freaking Lord Commander in his sleep a few yards away instead? Drumming up extra Jon drama raises more questions than it answers.


7. Peaches, Shadows, Greyjoys, and Other Devilish Details

THE CHANGE: Sometimes the small stuff is the stuff you sweat the most. Why change Theon's sister's name from Asha to Yara? Supposedly it's to avoid confusion with Bran's wildling mentor Osha, but is this really a show whose audience can't be trusted with confusing names? Why not have Renly taunt Stannis by eating a peach during their tense negotiation? It's his single most memorable moment, and surely there's room in the show's peach budget. And if you're gonna have a big wide shot of Renly's shadow in his tent, why not do what the book did and make it Melisandre's shadow baby in disguise, so that it can stealthily peel off the wall and attack rather than rolling into the tent like a Lost refugee?

THE VERDICT: Look, unless you just plop the book in front of the camera and slowly turn pages for ten hours, any adaptation from a novel to a TV show is going to make changes both big and small. But because they're small, these changes are all the more difficult to understand, even though they're clearly not a big deal in the long run. Everyone's gonna fixate on different details they remember fondly, and while it's a bummer to have lost these ones, it's something you can put up with if the overall quality stays high.


6. The Tywin and Arya Show

THE CHANGE: He's the cold and calculating patriarch of the richest, cruelest family in Westeros. She's the wild-child daughter of a fallen hero, on the run from forces sworn to destroy her. Together they're dynamite! In the books, Arya spends Lord Tywin's time in Harrenhal as a peon who only catches the occasional glimpse of House Lannister's top dog; the show's incognito-cupbearer plotline is grafted in from another section of the book.

THE VERDICT: Maisie Williams plus Charles Dance equals great TV. It's pretty much just that simple. Kudos to the show for finding a way to have one of its best child actors (and it's got more good ones than some entire networks) and its most commanding actor/character combo (Dance looks nothing like Tywin in the books but it's now hard to imagine him any other way) go head-to-head on the regular. Arya's less-than-effective cat-and-mouse stuff with Littlefinger and Lorch is a small price to pay.


5. Queen Margaery's Naked Ambition

THE CHANGE: I believe it was the great Russian playwright Anton Chekov who wrote that one mustn't cast an actress from The Tudors if one has no intention of requiring her to take her top off. That's certainly one advantage of hiring 30-year-old Natalie Dormer to play the teen queen of the novels – like every character from Rickon Stark to Tywin Lannister, she's been aged up on the show to better reflect modern-day societal – and legal! – norms regarding sex and marriage. But Dormer's sly, sexy performance does more than provide a few more (exquisite) inches of skin to bare: It transforms Margaery from a largely mute mystery whose motives and level of involvement in the game of thrones are unknown at this stage in the book series into a no-holds-barred power player.

THE VERDICT: I'm on board with this one. While George R.R. Martin never made Margaery's political cunning this clear, he never did anything to indicate she wasn't this ambitious, either, so it fits perfectly well. It's less an invention than a peek behind closed tentflaps at something that was there all along, and that's a thrilling sensation.


4. The Madness of King Joffrey

THE CHANGES: Don't get me wrong: Joffrey Baratheon is the absolute goddamn worst in the books and the show. But as far as we know, the Joffrey of the books has at this point limited his most sadistic rampages to cats, rabbits and any other adorable creatures unfortunate enough to come within crossbow range. Yes, he had Ned beheaded, Sansa beaten, and countless prisoners tortured and killed, but that's still a far cry from his very personal supervision of the rape-torture of two prostitutes, or personally ordering the murder of his "father" King Robert's baby bastards (that was Cersei's doing in the books).

THE VERDICT: There's a reason why "the man you love to hate" entered the pop-culture parlance. Simply put, King Joffrey is the best villain on television, thanks not only to young actor Jack Gleeson's flawlessly repulsive performance, but also to the decision to take his sociopathy to new heights (or depths). There's something to be said for the books' handling of the character as a time bomb who has yet to really go off, but the explosiveness of the TV version makes us hope all the harder that he'll lose the game of thrones so bad he'll need to be squeegeed off the playing field.


3. Littlefinger's Big Season

THE CHANGE: The Iago-esque Lord Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish's superpower is to smile, and smile, and be a villain – but in the books we have yet to learn what's behind either the smile or the villainy. That's a big contrast with the show, where he'll tell pretty much anyone – Queen Cersei, Lord Varys, the Tyrell siblings, lipstick-lesbian prostitutes, anyone – that he wants the world and will murk pretty much anyone to get it. And he's getting a whole lot of screentime, running from King's Landing to the Stormlands to Harrenhal and having conversations that in the books either took place off-screen (the Tyrells) or not at all (Cersei, Renly, Catelyn, Tywin).

THE VERDICT: Mixed. Actor Aiden Gillen is one of the show's best performers, and the quiet, smiling menace he brings to scenes like his chat with his star whore Ros is not to be missed. But Littlefinger's ability to be everywhere at once strains credulity, as does his ability to survive encounters with Cersei and Catelyn (and undercover Arya) where his very un-book-like bluster would normally get him killed.


2. Caught in a Robb Romance

THE CHANGE: Fans of actor Richard Madden are legion, and lusty, and lucky. If the show had followed the book's lead, Madden's Robb Stark would have spent almost every episode off screen, fighting battles we never see and falling in love with a girl we never meet (this season, anyway). Instead he's been kept front and center, all the better to meet cute with the mysterious foreign nurse Lady Talisa after one of his victories. She's a far cry from Lady Jeyne Westerling, the pretty teenager from Westeros' west coast (that's Lannister territory) whom Robb falls for in the novels.

THE VERDICT: Good on the show for keeping Robb around, at least. In the books, George R.R. Martin keeps all the kings distant from the center of the action, preferring to show us how their decisions play out among their subjects – it's both a literary technique and a political message, but it wouldn't work on the show since the entire Stark side of the war would basically disappear. The Talisa/Jeyne switcheroo is tougher to get a handle on. Actress Oona Chaplin's got a real spark with the charismatic Madden, and whom he falls in love with doesn't matter as much falling in love at all. But as mega-fansite Westeros.org has pointed out, her "first they argue, then they flirt, and pretty soon you see them at the diner eating breakfast together in the clothes they wore last night" introduction to Robb has been one of the show's most predictable plotlines. Far from a dealbreaker, though, and potentially juicy when the romance heats up.


1. Party On, Qarth

THE CHANGE: Jeez, what didn’t change about this rich and decadent city in the far east? "Rich, decadent, far east" – that’s about it. In the book, Xaro Xhoan Daxos is lily-white and gay rather than black and straight. The Spice King didn’t exist at all. The Thirteen were just one of several factions jockeying for power rather than the city’s overall shot-callers. Dany and company rode into the city well-rested and secure rather than begging for their lives. Her bloodrider Rakharo and handmaiden Irri are still alive. And her dragons are very, very much un-kidnapped.

THE VERDICT: No one’s ever said "You know what the best part of A Clash of Kings is? The structure of Qarthene society!" Martin’s conception of Qarth is fascinating, but streamlining it, punching it up, making Xaro a handsome immigrant who bonds himself to Daenerys in blood, and giving Nicholas Blane’s Spice King a chance to dandy his way up and down the screen all make for entertaining TV. However, the jury’s still way the hell out on the dragon-napping business. You wanna give Dany’s sparse storyline more oomph, be my guest, but her dragons are such an integral part of her that taking them away this early in the game makes her feel like a chump. Still, a warlock-vs.-dragon throwdown (you have to figure this is where things are headed) could be a pip. We’ll just have to wait and see if the storyline crashes and burns or soars.


http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/lists/game-changers-the-10-biggest-changes-between-game-of-thrones-and-the-books-20120515



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lillyluna 16th-May-2012 12:33 am (UTC)
The Melisandre plot is as awful in the series as it is in the book. That stays the same.

I DON'T CARE IF I MAKE YOU ANGRY GRR MARTIN YOU HAVE KILLED EVERYONE I LOVE ALREADY.
simplychristina 16th-May-2012 01:52 am (UTC)
I pretty much hate her until ADWD. Then I feel mild sympathy and lots of annoyance.
velvetunicorn 16th-May-2012 02:28 am (UTC)
ia. She reminds me of Maryann from True Blood and I couldn't stand her either. As soon as she was introduced in the books I was like, here we go
acharmedlife 16th-May-2012 03:06 am (UTC)
But the scene where Stannis fucks her on the table is so hot, though.
chaotic_n 16th-May-2012 12:34 am (UTC)
I'm not feeling this season as much as I would have liked to, tbh.
reginageorge 16th-May-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
i agree, and it's sad.
black_swan87 16th-May-2012 12:42 am (UTC)
me either
lucillebluth 16th-May-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
ia, sometimes I wished I hadn't read the books before this season tbh
fabouluz 16th-May-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
I feel like it's slower, but I enjoy the intensity of certain scenes, it's building to a big season next year hopefully.
hetshepsit 16th-May-2012 04:20 am (UTC)
I'm thinking the very same. This is the awkward middle-child season where everything goes to shit/hell/omg how the fuck will life go on????????
hypermuseic9 16th-May-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
same but i don't like to admit it to myself. i think because the first season had one character which everything revolved around-Ned Stark. And this season has 5+. It's hard to fit all of their storylines accurately in 10 episodes.
destructo_ray 16th-May-2012 12:52 am (UTC)
It's just kind of shit, tbqh.
foxylov3r 16th-May-2012 12:53 am (UTC)
I feel like it's kinda like the book, a huge set up for ASOS
lathwen1 16th-May-2012 12:55 am (UTC)
ia
judgmental 16th-May-2012 12:56 am (UTC)
I have to agree
amazingtime 16th-May-2012 01:02 am (UTC)
It makes me sad to agree ):

Waaay too many characters and many changes. I mean I liked the book but I don't think it translated well (or as good as I would have liked) into screen.
bodyline 16th-May-2012 01:08 am (UTC)
IA. It's not bad, but it's not as good as the first season. But honestly, I felt that was about the book too. It didn't get really, really good until the last 200 pages or so.
squirtodile 16th-May-2012 01:21 am (UTC)
Yep.
ncc_gqmf 16th-May-2012 01:31 am (UTC)
I thought the first three or four episodes were phenomenal but I haven't loved the last few.
__nocturna 16th-May-2012 01:38 am (UTC)
IA, and I think its because of all the different POVs. We are seeing how difficult it is going to be to show all of these different plot lines successfully on television.
daisyham 16th-May-2012 02:28 am (UTC)
seriously? i am absolutely blown away by this season
traversant 16th-May-2012 02:31 am (UTC)
Same here :/
andres01234 16th-May-2012 02:40 am (UTC)
me neither, all the fucking changes (AND GODDAMN THAT AWFUL ROS!) are driving me mad
dolcetta 16th-May-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
omg your icon
s0ftlyraining 16th-May-2012 03:13 am (UTC)
ditto
prdarkstar 16th-May-2012 12:34 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure #10 was confirmed to be true in ADWD

This season has been fantastic. Not perfect of course but still great TV. The constant comparing/nitpicking would keep anyone from enjoying it. Oh well, their loss.

Edited at 2012-05-16 12:37 am (UTC)
qween_tartii 16th-May-2012 10:43 am (UTC)
lol mte - every time i see someone butthurting about all the changes i think to myself "oh well sucks to be you."

i'd rather just enjoy both (the books and the show) on their own merits tbh.
fauxkaren 16th-May-2012 12:34 am (UTC)
THIS POST IS GONNA BE GOOD
lydzi 16th-May-2012 07:50 am (UTC)
I'm going to sip my morning tea while reading it. It's going to be fun I can sense it ^^.
liberateourtime 16th-May-2012 12:34 am (UTC)
how about all of last episode
aprettywastex3 16th-May-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
I hated the whole Arya/Tywin moments, and also how they've made Cersei a fucking softie. How will they portray her descent into madness in affc?

On another note, I do like Ygritte in the show more than in the books.
lillyluna 16th-May-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
I agree with this whole comment.
celtic_thistle 16th-May-2012 12:41 am (UTC)
Ygritte is awesome on the show. And yeah, Cersei is way colder and calculating and less "omg what have we done" and that's what makes her POV in AFFC so effective.
fauxkaren 16th-May-2012 12:45 am (UTC)
I love that in the books Cersei is just so unrepentant, so it's kind of weird to see her be more reflective in the show.
lovelyeli 16th-May-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
tbh im stanning a lot more for cersie this season..i don't read the books but i hateddd her last season and now i just love her, i like the softie side to her tbh.
aprettywastex3 16th-May-2012 12:49 am (UTC)
I understand why she might be more likeable now, but it just doesn't work with how her character is, in the end.
fabouluz 16th-May-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
How can you hate the Arya and Tywin moments??? Cersei is more likeable on the show, it's adding more depth to her than just making her ice cold and unable to evolve.
milkradio 16th-May-2012 01:42 am (UTC)
also how they've made Cersei a fucking softie. How will they portray her descent into madness in affc?

Totally agree with this!
simplychristina 16th-May-2012 01:54 am (UTC)
One reason why I can kind of accept Cersei on the show this way is because we don't get her own POV for four books, so she is always seen through the eyes (and biases) of others until then.
a_boleyn1230 16th-May-2012 02:48 am (UTC)
I agree with you so hard about Cersei. Thought I was the only one, glad to know I am not!
stuckmodebabe 16th-May-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
I'm in the middle of AFFC and Cersei is really starting to loose it.
zeonchar 16th-May-2012 04:07 am (UTC)
Agree with everything except I thought the Arya/Tywin moments were awesome.
r_a_black 16th-May-2012 04:42 am (UTC)
It bothers me every time she acknowledges that Joffrey is cray-cray. I mean I liked the little moment between her and Tyrion in the last episode, but for the bigger picture it wasn't necessary.
conquistadora 16th-May-2012 04:57 am (UTC)
I always interpret tv Cersei as being a good actor and that she's playing people, especially with Tyrion and Sansa--there's always some truth mixed in with her poison and that's what makes it work imo. Her scene with Petyr was a glimpse at that cold calculating person from the books. I think it's folly to sympathize with tv Cersei, even though her pity party looks pretty good right now.
lydzi 16th-May-2012 07:56 am (UTC)
I don't understand why they are making the Lannisters so much nicer than in the book (with the exception of Jaime apparently). Idgi. Even Tyrion has some angel powder sprikled all over him.
katiefitch 16th-May-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
dany and jon's storylines are actual disasters at this point and bran's may slowly be going in the same direction
celtic_thistle 16th-May-2012 12:40 am (UTC)
idgaf about Dany or Jon and Bran's storyline is boring as shit in the books sry2say
katiefitch 16th-May-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
i actually care about dany and jon the least out of all the POV characters (minus the random greyjoys) but it's not like they've made either of their stories interesting or compelling by changing shit
tiarlynn 16th-May-2012 04:06 am (UTC)
iawtcsfm
gramfaernes 16th-May-2012 04:15 am (UTC)
I like Jon's chapters, but Dany and Bran bore me to tears.
qween_tartii 16th-May-2012 10:47 am (UTC)
i pretty much skim all of Bran's chapters negl
soavantgarde 16th-May-2012 11:11 pm (UTC)
rly? Bran's chapters are a lot better than other characters' to me. I'm not a fan of the Dorne or Iron Island stuff, or Jon and Dany.
parker_hallie 16th-May-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
ia, the only saving grace of Jon's storyline is Ygritte running circles around him tbh
nuravecunt 16th-May-2012 01:59 am (UTC)
yeaaah, I'm guilty of skipping Bran chapters anyways so...
momentsplinter 16th-May-2012 10:40 am (UTC)
your icon is cracking me up for some reason
reginageorge 16th-May-2012 12:35 am (UTC)
fuck the walders, ia!!
karis_azura 16th-May-2012 01:30 am (UTC)
A friend of mine calls me Khaleesi because he says I remind him of her - is that her in your icon? (I'm broke as fuck and don't get HBO so I never watch the show)
reginageorge 16th-May-2012 02:11 am (UTC)
yes it is!!!! ugh you should take so much pride in that compliment!
two_haiku 16th-May-2012 02:46 am (UTC)
Well that doesn't stop most people :3

http://www.1channel.ch/watch-1386995-Game-of-Thrones
fauxkaren 16th-May-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
To me the most glaring change is the stuff with Littlefinger. He really doesn't resemble the character from the books anymore and he and his teleport machine/Shadowfax/private plane/however the fuck he's getting around Westeros so quickly are starting to grate.

Also, not a fan of the Robb/Talisa stuff. And I cannot verbalize it at all. But it is just doing nothing for me and if it isn't an improvement on the books, why bother changing?
bienenkiste 16th-May-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
ia and ia
celtic_thistle 16th-May-2012 12:40 am (UTC)
Yeah, Littlefinger is much more subtle in the books.

tbh I think the Robb/Talisa(Jeyne) stuff is meant to make the Red Wedding all the more heartbreaking and DUDE WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU THINKING. Though the way he meets/marries Jeyne in the books is way different and definitely shows how honor ends up screwing him over, just like happened with his father. idk idk
patiently 16th-May-2012 12:43 am (UTC)
my theory is that littlefinger is half human, half nightcrawler.
destructo_ray 16th-May-2012 01:15 am (UTC)
BAMF!
sweet_children9 16th-May-2012 01:25 am (UTC)
Doesn't help that I think Aiden and Alan could play brothers in a movie and I would believe they were really related
lydzi 16th-May-2012 08:00 am (UTC)
Makes too much sense tbh.
silentsymphonie 16th-May-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
IA it's really annoying how they're using Littlefinger as a prop to move along other plots instead of featuring his agonizingly slow crawl up the power ladder. His story (hating his small title and using his political cunning to gain power in a way that is different from other game players) is really interesting to me (though I've only read halfway through affc) and I wish they would use it more.
breaktheice89 16th-May-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
Agreed. Littlefinger is a waste of screentime.

And as soon as Robb/Talisa appear, I zoom out. Their conversations are just boring.
lucillebluth 16th-May-2012 12:47 am (UTC)
Littlefinger is proof that you can have too much of a good thing.

He's such a great character in the books because you hardly see him and don't know what he's doing half the time.

the show has taken all of his mystery and appeal away.

And the Robb/Talisa stuff just feels like it's from a completely different show entirely.
laurshel 16th-May-2012 01:05 am (UTC)
I pretty much hate Talisa. I'm not feeling Oona Chaplin AT ALL and I think she's a crap actress. Richard Madden and his character deserve a better, Rose Leslie-caliber actress.
anitakkkat 16th-May-2012 01:07 am (UTC)
I agree with all of this
I love Littlefinger in the books but can't stand him in the show

Robb and Talisa are just boring and uninteresting
sweet_children9 16th-May-2012 01:24 am (UTC)
PLEASE don't remind me of the fuckery they are doing with Littlefinger.
simplychristina 16th-May-2012 01:56 am (UTC)
Agreed on both points. I hate Littlefinger, but part of the reason he's also compelling is because of how behind the scenes all of his string pulling is and what it amounts to step by step.

I mean, what's next, putting Varys front and center?
r_a_black 16th-May-2012 04:47 am (UTC)
Something about Robb/Talisa is too cheesy for me. Jeyne wasn't meant to marry him, but that's really the only problem, he was meant to marry another. With Talisa it comes off as so much more star-crossed that I cringe whenever their scenes come on.
conquistadora 16th-May-2012 05:07 am (UTC)
I think they're trying to make Robb look like such a noble and good person compared to all the wretches like Theon or Lannisters by attaching him to Talisa the Healer and Moral Compass. My guess is they're hoping that thing that happens later on will hurt more for people pulling for one of the last bastions of decent kingly candidates.

But personally I think they're as redundant as the Tywin/Arya scheme. It's the same thing every time they meet.
furato 16th-May-2012 06:00 am (UTC)
Robb/Talisa is killing me because I think Richard and Oona are doing a good job, plus I kind of enjoy the 'Is She Actually Jeyne?' tease about her noble birth and reluctance to go to the Crag. Yet they feel like they don't belong in this show, like, gurl what are you doing showing up in the king's tent, interrupting when Lord Bolton seems to have business with him, and directly asking for supplies. Why hasn't Cat spoken to her, to assess this potential disturbance to the Frey alliance? It's not like she's in Riverrun and the girl's at the Crag. The more I see Talisa the more questions pop up in my mind about the characters' actions.
lydzi 16th-May-2012 08:03 am (UTC)
The last scene with Baelish was a bit better and he has a good chemistry somehow with Maergtary but yes, wtf are they doing with his character? We don't see Vary stripping everywhere do we? We're not suppose to see Baelish like why those scenes? o___O

And Robb and Dr Quinn is just a gigantic mess. The lines are so cheesy, It's straight out of an Harlequin novel. I was side-eyeing that story in the book, It's even worse now that they decided to make it ~romantic and stuff~ in the tv show.
oktobergoud 16th-May-2012 09:30 am (UTC)
I'm agreeing on both points yeaah. Littlefinger seems like a different person!

And Robb.. well I find Robb just boring in general, but Richard is pretty so it's okay ;) But yeah the Robb/Talisa stuff is again.. boring.
piratesswoop 16th-May-2012 12:36 am (UTC)
i love arya/tywin and i really don't give a shit if people think its out of character for him, basically the only glimpse we get of his character in the first three books is through tyrion's eyes and there's hardly any love between them
stellar_kar 16th-May-2012 02:33 am (UTC)
Ia
zeonchar 16th-May-2012 04:08 am (UTC)
IA
fauxkaren 16th-May-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
Oh and as an Official Cat Stan, I am nitpicky about the changes they've made to her character.

But I also understand why most people don't give a fuck. haha.
lillyluna 16th-May-2012 12:41 am (UTC)
Well by keeping Rob around, they had to change her character.
fauxkaren 16th-May-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
I know. But I still don't like it.
silentsymphonie 16th-May-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
But they seem to have done everything in their power to change Cat's character in favor of making Robb seem more cunning and politically minded than he was in the books. It would have been nice to see him as a king who means well but really has no idea what he's doing because he is just a boy.
aprettywastex3 16th-May-2012 12:46 am (UTC)
I give a fuck. I'm not a Cat stan, but I quite enjoy her character and I'm not feeling the changes either.
lucillebluth 16th-May-2012 12:50 am (UTC)
I care! but I'm also a Cat stan lol

having said that I feel the writers have redeemed themselves somewhat for how they wrote her in the earlier episodes with how well they're writing the Cat/Brienne relationship imo
breaktheice89 16th-May-2012 12:56 am (UTC)
I do give lots of fucks. I hate the changes they made, especially earlier in the season.
squirtodile 16th-May-2012 01:22 am (UTC)
Ugh yeah I hate what they done to her.
simplychristina 16th-May-2012 01:57 am (UTC)
I hate how they've treated her character. :/
roguedandelion 16th-May-2012 08:58 am (UTC)
I don't either. Recently she's a little better but earlier in the season I wasn't having it.
hobnailedboots 16th-May-2012 12:37 am (UTC)
Party On, Qarth

destructo_ray 16th-May-2012 01:16 am (UTC)
I thought it was hilarious. IDGAF!
xkyrie_eleisonx 16th-May-2012 01:59 am (UTC)
I lol'd
patiently 16th-May-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
i love Xaro idgaf
bienenkiste 16th-May-2012 12:39 am (UTC)
ia i love his voice sfm
tell me again how you used to have no shoes bro
patiently 16th-May-2012 12:42 am (UTC)
he can use my boobs for shoes.
amazingtime 16th-May-2012 01:05 am (UTC)
omg ikr his voice is so... smooth? idk very soothing
watermeloncholy 16th-May-2012 12:44 am (UTC)
My friends ran into the guy who plays him...and he was super nice (and asked one of them out lol)--I'm still so flipping jealous.
cerseilannister 16th-May-2012 01:15 am (UTC)
ia
lydzi 16th-May-2012 08:07 am (UTC)
mte!
celtic_thistle 16th-May-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
I honestly don't give a shit about most of the changes (there are a couple that have me rolling my eyes tho) and I LOVE that they fleshed Margaery out more.

idgaf about Robb, sorry. Oona is fucking gorgeous tho.
lydzi 16th-May-2012 08:08 am (UTC)
Margaery's treatment is absolute greatness. I love every bit of it tbh!
aphrodite5239 16th-May-2012 12:50 pm (UTC)
IAWTC especially with what they have done to Queen Margaery. But of course it's a given that she's awesome because of Natalie Dormer's performance

Edited at 2012-05-16 12:51 pm (UTC)
liebestorys 17th-May-2012 01:01 am (UTC)
The fleshing out Margaery is the best part. I hope it meants fleshing out more Tyrells too.
rampant_geekery 16th-May-2012 12:38 am (UTC)
Only good thing that's been changed is Shae. Her and Sansa's scene are great.
fauxkaren 16th-May-2012 12:41 am (UTC)
I always felt sorry for Shae in the books, but TV!Shae is actually a legit good character. I like her a lot.
aprettywastex3 16th-May-2012 12:48 am (UTC)
IA, I felt she was pretty cool. But I still prefer Book!Shae in the sense that I love to hate her, and I can't hate her now.
lucillebluth 16th-May-2012 12:51 am (UTC)
ia, such a good change.
breaktheice89 16th-May-2012 12:57 am (UTC)
I enjoy their dynamic as well, hope it stays that way.
squirtodile 16th-May-2012 01:23 am (UTC)
Yes! I really like her now.
wicky_wicky 16th-May-2012 01:28 am (UTC)
ia
trequartista 16th-May-2012 02:03 am (UTC)
Agreed! The actress playing Shae was abysmal in S1, but she's improved immensely this season.
lydzi 16th-May-2012 08:09 am (UTC)
Ikr? She probably feels better the character now too. I really like her.
alison_gunn 16th-May-2012 02:04 am (UTC)
Agreed.
boluoxiansheng 16th-May-2012 02:04 am (UTC)
yes, I did not like book Shae at all, and I think TV Shae is great
xcollsangelx 16th-May-2012 04:46 am (UTC)
Agreed.

furato 16th-May-2012 06:14 am (UTC)
C-c-combo breaker. TV Shae is not doing it to me. She might be a better person in the show for helping Sansa, but I think her character is inconsistent. In the progression from the selfish, petulant whore who thinks the capital is where she belongs and refuses to work in the kitchens even though it's for her and her benefactor's safety, into the strange handmaiden that irritates Sansa, into the confidant who'd defy the queen to help Sansa, there are some logical jumps that could've been portrayed better. I find Book Shae's personality annoying, but like what she adds as one of the few commoners in the story.
ascot_gavotte 17th-May-2012 10:24 am (UTC)
Shae is such a try hard with Tyrion in the books and on the show. So yeah, IA.
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