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7:42 pm - 05/10/2012

Joss Whedon explains why he had to do unspeakable things to one character in The Avengers



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Now that most of the planet has seen The Avengers, we're going to freely talk about one of the more tragic aspects of Joss Whedon's movie. So if you wish to remain spoiler free stop reading here!


Spoilers ahead...


We've already analyzed why Whedon always kills the characters we love most — but now we want specifics. What made him want to kill Agent Coulson off? And wasn't he worried that killing off this beloved agent, the "character-killer" stigma would stick to him worse than ever?


At the junket for The Avengers we asked Whedon, and he responded that is just simply had to be done... and totally wasn't his idea.


Are you worried about perpetuating the "Joss Whedon kills your favorite character" stigma, with what you did to Agent Coulson in The Avengers?


Joss Whedon: In our first meeting Kevin Feige said, this is what we're gonna do and I said, "Oh but you have to go out there and tell everybody that it was your idea because this is going to get me so much shit. Because they are all going to be like, "Oh he did it again!" It was stipulated from the beginning, and I completely agree that it was the right thing to do, and so did Clark. Who said in the early days, when I was busy apologizing for it, "In a movie like this, with what's going on if there isn't some toll, it's just irresponsible story telling."


Full disclosure: Disney paid for io9's travel and expenses at this press junket.

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superdogbiter 10th-May-2012 01:07 pm (UTC)
If this movie were a person it would be a magical person who could shoot rainbows and ice cream out of their eyes.
Although knowing you guys you would want it to shoot out weed and cats

Edited at 2012-05-10 01:10 pm (UTC)
mingemonster 10th-May-2012 01:29 pm (UTC)
if i had free weed and an unlimited supply of kittens my life would be complete
sometimes_mbv 10th-May-2012 01:36 pm (UTC)
weed and cupcakes for me, thanks.
winegums 10th-May-2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
yeah, I need food for the munchies.
miriamele 10th-May-2012 06:01 pm (UTC)
Yep. Absolutely.
bnlmaroonvwbug 10th-May-2012 02:13 pm (UTC)
lol omg so true about the weed and cats.
chaquitalicia04 10th-May-2012 03:40 pm (UTC)
I choose Ice cream and cats. And vodka.
bornstalker 10th-May-2012 03:52 pm (UTC)
god, I do love weed and cats.
ascot_gavotte 10th-May-2012 03:58 pm (UTC)
how about all of the above?
deathbyrandom 10th-May-2012 04:15 pm (UTC)
I WANT ALL OF THOSE THINGS
sweetcherrytree 10th-May-2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
omg weed cats rainbows and ice cream WHAT MORE COULD YOU EVER ASK FOR
sessile29 10th-May-2012 08:58 pm (UTC)
lollllll
ladywilde80 10th-May-2012 11:55 pm (UTC)
weed and vodka tbqh - fuck cats :)
lothlorienbow 10th-May-2012 01:07 pm (UTC)
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mlo_7 10th-May-2012 01:08 pm (UTC)
LOL
liferule91 10th-May-2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
Sleeveless vintage cards.

smh @ you Agent Coulson. You disappointed me.
bostongirl2003 10th-May-2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
I am sure that Fury is the one who took them out of their sleeves.
brighter 10th-May-2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
Hahaha, I love it!
cigarettelover 10th-May-2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
LOL IRL I AM DYING
lilyginny27 10th-May-2012 01:20 pm (UTC)
RL LOL!
que_divertido Oh Phil, I love you man10th-May-2012 01:24 pm (UTC)
I just really, really do.
creative_candy 10th-May-2012 01:32 pm (UTC)
lmao love this!
sometimes_mbv 10th-May-2012 01:37 pm (UTC)
he was so adorable though.
bnlmaroonvwbug 10th-May-2012 02:14 pm (UTC)
LOLLLL. my friend can't stop playing that song but she hasn't seen the movie so she would never get this. :[
ashe_frost 10th-May-2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
YES
hammersxstrings 10th-May-2012 04:01 pm (UTC)
Omg lololol
ladywilde80 11th-May-2012 12:02 am (UTC)
His Captain fanboying was too presh for words.
cocopora 11th-May-2012 04:33 am (UTC)
i'm late to this post but this is hilarious!
brighter because this is happening10th-May-2012 01:07 pm (UTC)
letitrainblue Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 01:09 pm (UTC)
I love him
365reasonswhy Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 01:10 pm (UTC)
lol too cute
cigarettelover Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 01:17 pm (UTC)
I would watch that movie many, many times tbh.
ugly_jacket Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 01:32 pm (UTC)
LOL
creative_candy Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 01:34 pm (UTC)
he is so precious in his interviews.i love him
sometimes_mbv Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 01:37 pm (UTC)
lmao, yes!
huntertp3 Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
He is amazing.
azul_bleu Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 02:57 pm (UTC)
AND ME OMG

love him so freaking much :3
xpirate_queenx Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 03:02 pm (UTC)
I'd settle for a comic series about the adventures/past adventures of Coulson.
azul_bleu Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 03:07 pm (UTC)
Heck yes.
hobnailedboots Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 03:49 pm (UTC)
fuck yes. Or one of the 'what if--' series about him.
diamond_dust06 Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 05:15 pm (UTC)
I read that as "cosmic series," and I got all excited about the idea of Coulson in space.
sessile29 Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 09:04 pm (UTC)
god yes

just him being deadpan and badass ~around the world~
chaquitalicia04 Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 03:41 pm (UTC)
And all of ONTD. Let's get a petition going.
endingonfire Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 04:13 pm (UTC)
AND ME CLARK. AND ME.
bronxdawn Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 04:16 pm (UTC)
As soon as Coulson died I said in the theatre "Fuckin' Joss Whedon, man" (I didn't say it too loud I'm not rude to fellow audience members!)

It's typical Joss. But I'll follow him to the ends of the earth anyway.
clever_girl Re: because this is happening10th-May-2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
He has my ax.
And my bow.
And my weapon that I don't know what it does.
letitrainblue 10th-May-2012 01:08 pm (UTC)
I loved Phil Coulson more than words could ever describe. When people started seeing the movie I've always waited for them to have some reaction to his death. None did

Poor Phil :'(
superdogbiter 10th-May-2012 01:09 pm (UTC)
somebody said random when he died in my theater and i'm like i'll get a random punch to your arm
childish 10th-May-2012 01:11 pm (UTC)
His death bummed me out tbh
danne_gerous 10th-May-2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
Really?! I gasped and my best friend turned to me and said, "I can't believe they Whedon-ed Coulson!!"
letitrainblue 10th-May-2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
My best friend was the only exception though. Everyone else didn't care.

Broke my heart.
cigarettelover 10th-May-2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
The first time I saw the movie I was like 'eh' because I thought FOR SURE that they wouldn't kill him, I thought he'd just shake it off and be like 'lol jk' but then when Nick stepped back and the medics came in I was like THE FUCK, NO, WHAT IS GOING ON D:
la_petite_singe 10th-May-2012 01:19 pm (UTC)
You shoulda been in my marathon audience--we cheered every SINGLE time he showed up and when he got stabbed, there were cries of horror and yells of "FUCKING WHEDON!" It was glorious.
shadowpiranha 10th-May-2012 01:25 pm (UTC)
I started making sounds like a wounded baby animal and my boyfriend kept looking at me like "ta fuck are you doin'?". He doesn't understand. :(
creative_candy 10th-May-2012 01:34 pm (UTC)
i've seen the movie 3 times and teared up each time ;___;
hannahstarr 10th-May-2012 02:05 pm (UTC)
I was expecting it tbh because one of my friends was talking before the movie about how she knew that Whedon was going to kill off someone, since it's Joss, and he can't kill off the main cast so that just left Coulson :(
friedgold_x 10th-May-2012 02:13 pm (UTC)
I full on wept. No shame.
moonbunnii 10th-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
I was really upset about it during the movie, and for the next few days tbh. It really bummed me out, but my friends were all like LOL WHO. Stupid friends.
huntertp3 10th-May-2012 02:30 pm (UTC)
I share your Coulson love. Everyone in my theater was shocked. One girl behind me actually started crying. It was pretty awkward.
mcdork 10th-May-2012 02:37 pm (UTC)
I turned to by hubby and said rather loudly. "What the fuck Joss, AGAIN?"

Im pretty sure my husband glared at me.
fin_landia 10th-May-2012 02:40 pm (UTC)
lol the friend I saw it with pretty much had an emotional meltdown.
xpirate_queenx 10th-May-2012 03:04 pm (UTC)
I went into my midnight screening, elated because A) I was finally seeing The Avengers, and B) I had been assured by many a blurb, blog/Twitter post, and interview from official sources that he'd live.

I was so shocked in the theater when...it it happened, I sat in stunned silence for about 5 minutes.
azul_bleu 10th-May-2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
I made horrible noises and flailed. The small child next to me started crying.
colorstoobright 10th-May-2012 03:14 pm (UTC)
My best friend was shouting "NOOOOO!" while I kept shaking my finger at the screen, "I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO GET JOSS'D! WHY AM I RIGHT?! NOOOOOOO!"
ashley51201 10th-May-2012 03:41 pm (UTC)
I was the only one in my group of friends to react.

I shed a tear every time he was mentioned after that.
egosumopacis 10th-May-2012 03:44 pm (UTC)
I think I grabbed my boyfriend's arm and hit him repeatedly in shock. And then of course, I rationalized it to death to keep from crying. Coulson is Vision. I've resigned to it or I will be devastated.
bronxdawn 10th-May-2012 04:17 pm (UTC)
My reaction was "Fuckin' Joss Whedon, man!" (since this is classic Joss)

I'm pretty sure the guy sitting next to me cried.
anime_fanatic19 10th-May-2012 04:28 pm (UTC)
I saw it twice (in Germany) and each time there was an audible gasp in the whole theatre! :'(
jdgrl47 10th-May-2012 05:22 pm (UTC)
There were a couple of shocked reactions from my audience, but no one reacted more strongly than me and my friend. We clutched each other and I gasped and had to hold back from full on bawling. COULSON. OF ALL THE PEOPLE. HE COULD'VE KILLED ANYONE, JUST NOT COULSOOOOOOOOON.

I mean, I got spoiled for this death even before I saw it and it still punched me in the gut. Fuckin' Whedon.
twoyearsaway 10th-May-2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
i just saw it on tuesday night and there was an audible group-gasp when he got stabbed.
clever_girl 10th-May-2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
The theater I was at was underwhelmed. I felt so alone.
foryoursake08 10th-May-2012 06:15 pm (UTC)
I cried :(
indelikatt 10th-May-2012 06:44 pm (UTC)
i cried. i'm not even joking. it completely broke my heart. i mean, i know it was needed....but holy SHIT dude....
c_nedra 10th-May-2012 07:13 pm (UTC)
I'll be honest...tears were shed.
crazycorgilady 10th-May-2012 08:27 pm (UTC)
i sat in my theater seat and when he died i was like

wait

no

you can't


whedon
railway 11th-May-2012 03:13 pm (UTC)
My friends and I all screamed NNNNOOOOOOO and I'm pretty sure other people were almost as upset as us (but not quite because we were all on our period and super emotional).
365reasonswhy 10th-May-2012 01:10 pm (UTC)
The only characters I've ever been mad about Joss killing off were Cordy, Fred and Wash. Everyone else's deaths were meh to me and they made better story dead than alive.
lothlorienbow 10th-May-2012 01:11 pm (UTC)
I will never forgive him for Wash ;_;
hannahstarr 10th-May-2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
Wash :(
danne_gerous 10th-May-2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
Joyce
chaquitalicia04 10th-May-2012 03:43 pm (UTC)
God, that one kills me.
cruel_april 10th-May-2012 04:14 pm (UTC)
YOUR ICON. You can't just spring that on me!! I need a warning!
diamond_dust06 10th-May-2012 05:16 pm (UTC)
Greatest hour of television ever.
erynbyrd 10th-May-2012 08:26 pm (UTC)
Every time I watch The Body I start sobbing. Loudly.
365reasonswhy 11th-May-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
Super late reply, but it made for such great TV and story fall out, so I couldn't be mad. I was definitely sad, but not mad at Joss, because it actually changed things instead of just being for shock.
rowan_belle 10th-May-2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
I was so sad for weeks after Fred died :( Didn't help that that shit was dragged out for so long. :'(
fraises 10th-May-2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
But....Joyce! But really the episode dealing with her death is one of the only things on tv/in movies that has made me cry.
lovedhurtlost 10th-May-2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
That whole Cordy storyline pissed me off. I was shipping her and Angel!
dementedevoted 10th-May-2012 01:20 pm (UTC)
I still cry when I watch the episode "A Hole in the World."

And my poor bb Wash. :(
showmesara 10th-May-2012 01:22 pm (UTC)
I didn't like Cordy after she got all magical and the same with Fred. I like her being ackward and not a smurf
carryyourheart 10th-May-2012 02:21 pm (UTC)
I still don't forgive him for Tara
runandtelldat 10th-May-2012 02:25 pm (UTC)
I'm still pressed about Anya.
mcdork 10th-May-2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Fred and Wash kill me.

I understand why they killed Wesley, but when Illyria says "do you want me to lie to you now" i completely lose it, every time.

Paul Ballard shouldn't of died on Dollhouse either!
widows 10th-May-2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
i will never be over wash :'c

i was also pissed off about topher dying on dollhouse for a long time. he was my favorite /sigh
aviolentwhisper 10th-May-2012 03:03 pm (UTC)
Wash's death is a big part of the reason I don't like Serenity.
dancemusic 10th-May-2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
doyle tho :'(
fauxkaren 10th-May-2012 03:45 pm (UTC)
Joyce's was the most upsetting, but not quite as anger inducing.

Cordelia's death is the one that made me outright angry because of all the behind the scenes bullshit.
latexana 10th-May-2012 04:39 pm (UTC)
Still pissed about Anya.
beaorgana 10th-May-2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
Wash :( ...
bellwetherr 10th-May-2012 05:10 pm (UTC)
I was upset about Tara. But death was better for her then being with Willow.
miriamele 10th-May-2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
WASH!! ;___;

Joss is a dick.
hemsworth 10th-May-2012 06:52 pm (UTC)
i was mad about him killing off joyce, doyle, fred and wesley even if it was the series finale. my heart still broke for jenny calendar too because i wanted giles to have a girlfriend and be happy but nope joss had to yank that away from him
mooshki 11th-May-2012 02:36 am (UTC)
Giles in the comics. I haven't even read them, and I am beyond fucking pissed at him. YOU CAN'T KILL GILES!!!! Fucking Whedon.
lothlorienbow 10th-May-2012 01:10 pm (UTC)
I don't care if it wasn't Whedon's idea. Coulson still got Whedon'd and I am disappoint.

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lovely_tunes 10th-May-2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
that scene was gold
advo 10th-May-2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
BUT HE'S NOT REALLY DEAD!

clever_girl 10th-May-2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
but he might come back evil!
megedeborch 10th-May-2012 01:10 pm (UTC)
Man, glad I'm halfway out of the door, because too many posts.

We need like 2 daily round-ups or so to fit them all in one.

Read y'all later!

And Coulson = ♥
mlo_7 10th-May-2012 01:12 pm (UTC)
omg 3 Avengers posts all at once

no puedo tomar el awesomeness
hannahstarr 10th-May-2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
lol mte
WHICH ONE DO I KEEP OPEN?! (all of them lbr)
mlo_7 10th-May-2012 01:20 pm (UTC)
haha yep, keep switching between and refreshing as I go. I'm going to hate myself later when I'm taking my final but lbr....I put off studying for ONE Avengers post before, I cannot be expected to ignore three lol.
brighter 10th-May-2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
I know, right? I have all three windows open, going back and forth~
fionaapple 10th-May-2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
Coulson was one of my favorite parts of the movie. Honestly, the people I thought I'd end up hating became my favorites... Hulk/Bruce Banner and Black Widow/Natasha. They were all FLAWFREE!
cigarettelover 10th-May-2012 01:15 pm (UTC)
Omg Mark as The Hulk SLAYED. It blew me away.

And Natasha is flaw-fucking-free.
fionaapple 10th-May-2012 01:16 pm (UTC)
Mark was absolutely amazing.. he was the best Hulk so far. I liked Ed Norton's take, but this was just so fucking flawless.
showmesara 10th-May-2012 01:23 pm (UTC)
He was really awesome.. and I had fears because I wanted Edward Norton
creative_candy 10th-May-2012 01:38 pm (UTC)
this! i didn't know what to expect from his portrayal of Hulk but omg he blew me away. i just love him!
bnlmaroonvwbug 10th-May-2012 02:16 pm (UTC)
my bf made a good point that mark as bruce was way too smiley for his personality.
miriamele 10th-May-2012 06:03 pm (UTC)
YES YES! I was REALLY worried about The Hulk but... god Mark is so amazing.
henryevil 10th-May-2012 01:24 pm (UTC)
Scarlett slayedt
widows 10th-May-2012 02:59 pm (UTC)
omg i know. i walked in expecting to be disappointed by the hulk because both of the hulk movies have sucked pretty badly. then i started having all these bruce feels and i didn't know what to do and now i'm having a ruffalo situation. it just happens i guess
latexana 10th-May-2012 04:42 pm (UTC)
you are me! BW underwhelmed in IM2 so I wasnt expecting much. and I never liked the Hulk. But they were AWESOME!


Cap and Thor were so great in their own movies but a little boring in avengers.
cigarettelover 10th-May-2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
I am so deeply in denial that it's crazy. I flat out REFUSE to believe that he's dead or can't be brought back in some way.
la_petite_singe 10th-May-2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
The marvelousness of your icon confirms the accuracy of your comment.
cigarettelover 10th-May-2012 01:26 pm (UTC)
GIRL I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIND YOU AND DISCUSS CERTAIN THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST EPISODE

I AM FLAILING ALL OVER THE PLACE
bostongirl2003 10th-May-2012 02:48 pm (UTC)
we shall live happily together in denial bb. Plus, I think they totally did leave it open for him to possibly come back.
xpirate_queenx 10th-May-2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
It's silly, but I feel the same way.

Surely, surely someone (i.e. one of any of the upcoming MCU sequel writers/directors) has to take notice of the extreme wave of fan backlash and do something to get him back. I will be extremely disappointed if it doesn't happen. I'd even be willing to wait as long as Avengers 2 for it to happen.
azul_bleu 10th-May-2012 03:08 pm (UTC)
This is comic fandom. NO ONE is ever really dead.
endingonfire 10th-May-2012 04:26 pm (UTC)
He will return! He has to! (I tell this to myself to keep from sobbing into my pillow)
c_nedra 10th-May-2012 07:20 pm (UTC)
I posted this on myself earlier, but I totally agree with you.

But I'm also inclined to believe that he isn't dead. Because Agent Aunt Robin came up and was like, "Hey Fury, those cards were in Coulson's locker...so...." And Nick was like, "Yeah, but they needed the push."

So, since he lied about the cards, he could have lied about Coulson being dead. And we didn't see the black bag of death zip up either.
haveitall 10th-May-2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
I saw the movie for the third time last night with a sold out crowd and people cheered when he stopped Loki from sending Thor out the trap door then gasped when he got stabbed. It was a good crowd!
lucciolaa 10th-May-2012 01:14 pm (UTC)
Dammit, a party post as I'm about to leave for school. Boo
lovedhurtlost 10th-May-2012 01:17 pm (UTC)
Lol @ the kitty possible being an ally for Loki.
hausofashley It's basically cannon now.10th-May-2012 02:06 pm (UTC)



Hehehe. Kitties and Loki <3
la_petite_singe 10th-May-2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
HOLY GOD SO MANY AVENGERS POSTS

MY BODY IS QUITE UNPREPARED ACTUALLY

And it's because he's a life-ruiner. He ruins people's lives. But let's acknowledge this here: that entire plot arc would never have worked if Clark Gregg wasn't so awesome and hadn't turned that relatively small role into such a beloved character. Without his charisma, it just would've been like "oh, that dude who popped up in the other movies a few times died. Huh. Well, that sucks." But because we love him, we could believe that the other characters would be profoundly moved & motivated by his death (or "death"...?). So basically, Clark is the man now, dog.

[/rose thinks she is a filmmaker]
letitrainblue 10th-May-2012 01:22 pm (UTC)
Well, except Bruce and Thor, they've all had some kind of relationship with him and cared about him.

I particularly enjoyed the part of Tony's speech to Loki when he said in the end "you also pissed off Phil"

I was flailing. Internally.
creative_candy 10th-May-2012 01:45 pm (UTC)
omg yes! my fangirling was to the roof at that point
maisontv 10th-May-2012 01:18 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I'm still angry about this. Don't even care that it wasn't Whedon's idea.

I REFUSE TO ACCEPT IT.
letitrainblue 10th-May-2012 01:19 pm (UTC)
Can I join you in the Nile?
maisontv 10th-May-2012 01:24 pm (UTC)
Absolutely! The water is quite lovely.
que_divertido I have a lovely little palazzo on Lake deNile10th-May-2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
I cordially invite all y'all to come. It's pretty with many cabana boys and #COULSONLIVES
teawithnoddy 11th-May-2012 08:52 am (UTC)
I NEED RECEIPTS, AND BY RECEIPTS, I MEAN HIS FUCKING COLD, ROTTING CORPSE, BEFORE I BELIEVE THAT THIS SHIT IS NOT JUST SOME CONSTRUCTED ILLUSION BY FURY ET AL TO FORCE THE AVENGERS TO GET THEIR SHIT TOGETHER.
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