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12:29 am - 05/09/2012

The Voice of Misogyny

After Tony performed "99 Problems" on last night's episode, the judges were asked for their responses. Christina, who has in the past criticized Tony for being one-dimensional (and also knows him personally, as they were on The Mickey Mouse Club together), told him he had a great voice and then added, "Your beautiful wife and your daughter, and family are here tonight, and I just thought, you know, the lyrical connotation was a little derogatory towards women...but all in all it was good fun."

Let's pause here: Note how restrained that statement is. The song relies heavily on misogynist language, but Christina didn't even spend her entire critique talking about that—she complimented Tony on the performance and gave a barely passing mention of the fact that the lyrics are problematic, yet it still earned her the misogynist wrath of Tony's coach, Adam.

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A really interesting read. And an awesome explanation as to why people are upset with Adam Levine and Tona, and why the reaction to what Christina said is problematic.

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sleepez 9th-May-2012 05:09 am (UTC)
this article is full of truth. Adam is total scum.

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spellogram 9th-May-2012 05:14 am (UTC)
you tell them, mariah!
x_noisekisses 9th-May-2012 05:09 am (UTC)
idk what to make of all this, but i'm glad chris and tony got 3rd and 4th. maybe that will teach adam and christina to settle down.

also, we know that christina likes 99 problems so i wonder if she really was just wanting to continue the tony beef. would she have said the same to another contestant? i've missed a lot of the voice posts so idk if that's been discussed.
lumosofmylife 9th-May-2012 05:14 am (UTC)
But he was performing the song as a message to her, essentially calling her a bitch.
x_noisekisses 9th-May-2012 05:15 am (UTC)
she should've just said that tbh..
mari_lyn00 9th-May-2012 07:23 am (UTC)
i dont think Christina needs to 'settle down' from being treated so passive aggressively on the show. hopefully Adam will learn his cocky ass a lesson from it though.
syzygy09 9th-May-2012 05:11 am (UTC)
First of all, I'd like to address the fact that "99 Problems" was originally released in 2004. I feel fucking old. Ew. Yuck.

Anyway, I'm mostly offended by the fact that Levine/Lucca pretended as if that performance choice was not directed at Christina, when it CLEARLY was. And fuck that "it's a metaphor" nonsense. The intent was obvious.

I'm fine with the judge banter/hate, but don't disrespect me as a viewer. Let's call a spade a spade. (I disrespect myself enough for watching this bullshit, thanks) Don't insult MY intelligence.

Do I really care that Tony Lucca basically called Christina a bitch? Nope. Do I really care that Christina called him out on it? Yep. In fact, I'm impressed.
argyle_strikes 9th-May-2012 05:13 am (UTC)
mte. the song as it was originally performed by jay-z is a metaphor, but tony lucca is a white man, and he obviously directed it at her.
syzygy09 9th-May-2012 05:29 am (UTC)
Lucca being white had nothing to do with it, IMO -- that's a fucking awesome song and I'm absolutely okay with anyone and everyone covering it if they can do it well.

That said, I get what you're saying -- Jay-Z claims it's a metaphor and some white boy on The Voice claiming it to be a metaphor, as if he wrote the song, isn't cool...I agree with you there.

The fact that it was directed at Christina is my issue, and the fact that they denied it pisses me off even more. If one is gonna be rude or cause drama, even if for the LOLs, at least own it.

In other words: I agree. :)
warsawed 9th-May-2012 05:14 am (UTC)
IA except I think he should be held accountable for his actions
berry_wish 9th-May-2012 05:21 am (UTC)
04? For some reason I thought it was way older
forkmeup 9th-May-2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
wow, I thought it was released in the 90's.
radar 9th-May-2012 02:17 pm (UTC)
First of all, I'd like to address the fact that "99 Problems" was originally released in 2004. I feel fucking old. Ew. Yuck.

damn, i'm with you. all these people replying thinking it was older lmao. i'm forever stuck thinking 99/00 is only a few years ago.
imightbewrong4 9th-May-2012 05:11 am (UTC)
I was at the taping yesterday and the Adam and Xtina went AT EACH OTHER during the commercial break after Tony's performance. I was close enough to hear her shout "bullshit" at Adam. She was pretty livid.

It was so obviously pre-meditated on Adam & Tony's part - the whole "Team Xtina" shirt reveal right after she calls them out. Ugh. I just feel bad for her that all this came from that single "one dimensional" critique.
lumosofmylife 9th-May-2012 05:15 am (UTC)
Ugh, fuck Adam and Tony. I'm glad their little stunt blew up in their faces.
xzackb 9th-May-2012 05:15 am (UTC)
omg you have all the deets! sounds like shit hit the fan.
imightbewrong4 9th-May-2012 05:20 am (UTC)
I was going to make a post yesterday but then got lazy because I was so tired from being there from noon (check-in was at 1) to 7:30. gahhh
laurie_springs 9th-May-2012 05:17 am (UTC)
Could you see how the other two judges reacted to everything?

I have this fantasy of sorts where Tony was literally the only person who liked Adam and vice versa lol
maidenhell 9th-May-2012 05:18 am (UTC)
Did he call her a cunt like the reports are saying? Ooh sorry...I think this was in rehearsals.

Edited at 2012-05-09 05:19 am (UTC)
indignantindigo 9th-May-2012 05:18 am (UTC)
Ugh that is such shit. I don't really like Christina but no one deserves that kind of bullshit.
until_you_leave 9th-May-2012 05:19 am (UTC)
what does the audience do when they're fighting? what about the judges? i'm glad xtina and ceelo called out adam for his shady bullshit.
hotness3ya 9th-May-2012 05:22 am (UTC)
ugh so much bullshit I can't even spill more deets tbh.
argyle_strikes 9th-May-2012 05:12 am (UTC)
so what if xtina is a bitch, it doesn't invalidate what she said, nor does it excuse misogyny directed towards her.
xzackb 9th-May-2012 05:16 am (UTC)
preach

_myaugust 9th-May-2012 05:21 am (UTC)
Always an amazing song.
x_noisekisses 9th-May-2012 05:27 am (UTC)
13 year old me jammed to this song back when it came out and always will.
lillylilacs 9th-May-2012 06:56 am (UTC)
still a fantastic song
violet_crumble9 9th-May-2012 07:26 am (UTC)
i guess it's easier for you to swallow if i sat and smiled~
railway 9th-May-2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
Stripped era was PERFECTION
laurie_springs 9th-May-2012 05:18 am (UTC)
Exactly.

Those comments are making this article even more relevant lol
lidahbidah 9th-May-2012 05:23 am (UTC)
These comments are proving the article right, and that's the funny part.
_xxtom 9th-May-2012 05:30 am (UTC)
EXACTLY.
saltireflower 9th-May-2012 06:24 am (UTC)
Thank you. This is so hard for some stupid people to understand.
kimberwyn 9th-May-2012 06:31 am (UTC)
No one said it does. But her attitude explains why people react so negatively towards her.
lillylilacs 9th-May-2012 06:55 am (UTC)
yeats 9th-May-2012 05:14 am (UTC)
i always thought that 99 problems wasn't a metaphor so much as a series of puns... like, in one verse, the "bitch" is a female dog (when he's talking about canines coming to search his car for drugs), and in another, it's referring to prison rape (when he's talking about being arrested).

am i wrong?

(not to say that those usages aren't problematic on their own, obviously.)

ALSO i don't even watch the show so i am not going to wade into how the song operates contextually -- i concede to my feminist buds fully there.

Edited at 2012-05-09 05:16 am (UTC)
indignantindigo 9th-May-2012 05:17 am (UTC)
Honestly you're closer to what I thought. I could barely make out the lyrics half the time. Any interpretation I've had is really illuminating my blondness.
lumosofmylife 9th-May-2012 05:17 am (UTC)
Like you said, the usage of bitch in the song is problematic on its own, but for this performance, the clear intent was to call Christina out as a bitch.
yeats 9th-May-2012 05:19 am (UTC)
yeah, i know nothing about the context of the performance, although adam levine has always struck me as a smarmy anus so i'm not surprised he's involved. thanks for clarifying.

Edited at 2012-05-09 05:19 am (UTC)
laurie_springs 9th-May-2012 05:19 am (UTC)
Yeah but even with that the problem with the song itself is that something associated with females is being used to refer to several bad things. It's still offensive even within that context. But it is clever which was what Tony's entire performance lacked for sure.
warsawed 9th-May-2012 05:20 am (UTC)
From the few times I've listened to it, I felt it was about Jay having much bigger fish to fry than "bitch problems" regarding his woman, like having to deal with racist fucks wherever he went. Which is kind of funny considering he enforces one method of prejudice (misogyny) while complaining about another method of prejudice (racism) being lodged against him. But maybe that was his intent?

Or maybe its just about having an incredible amount of swagger. #speakingoutofmyass
kiki3291 9th-May-2012 05:33 am (UTC)
Yeah ia, this was one of the few performances I watched and when the article started popping out I was doubtful the song choice was intentional but then watching the actual performance and seeing how so much was left out and rearranged there really was no doubt it was intentional.

I mean you can argue he tried making it his own but he could have done that with ANY other song, that this song had that underlining message (so convenient) and they took advantage of it is what bothered me.
lidahbidah 9th-May-2012 05:21 am (UTC)
And THIS is why I defended Xtina when everything was going down this season.

A+ to this article.

Oh, and people mentioning Christina originally liking the song obviously didn't pay attention to how she addressed the issue. She mentioned it being derogatory after mentioning his children and family being in the audience. She also mentioned it, because it was clearly directed at her.
lumosofmylife 9th-May-2012 05:23 am (UTC)
Queen Latifah is so cute. She's tweeting people to vote for Jermaine, you know, after he won, lol.
hotness3ya 9th-May-2012 05:26 am (UTC)
OMG I DIED
xzackb 9th-May-2012 05:23 am (UTC)
i actually had a friend of mine today try to argue with me that adam was right and that it was just a metaphor. i was FURIOUS.

i fucking POPPED OFF.
emptyobsidian 9th-May-2012 05:26 am (UTC)
I think the article highlights one of the things that confuses me about this entire feud. Her actual quote isn't that bad to me. She praises him and his voice and his performance and his family and mentioned (briefly) that the lyrical content directed at her was a little derogatory especially in front of his young daughter (which...I mean, my Dad never called another woman a bitch in front of me when I was younger so I get thinking that is a little weird?)
So, pretty reasonable, but the response is batshit hysterics, people shrieking that she is a cunt, bitch, ugly whore, that she needs to die, etc. It just feels like the reaction is 100X more over the top, cruel, and meaner than anything Christina has said on the show even when she is being openly and constantly disrespected by Adam and Tony the entire time.

So...I guess I just don't get it. We don't like Christina so she deserves to be torn to pieces and death wished on her for a benign comment?
pettyscenes 9th-May-2012 05:41 am (UTC)
Well, there seems to be this back-and-forth argument of who is the "worst" of Tony, Adam, and Christina, and some have come to the conclusion that Christina has fed just as much into this as the boys have and she's a passive aggressive bitch, so some of their baiting is warranted.

I just can't agree with that. Everyone knows Christina has not been above the petty baiting and sniping that's gone on here (see: the "Britney cover band" dig a million years after the fact), but her actions are more understandable, and the false equivalency that's been deemed from certain people is grating and inaccurate. Look, if you go back to the beginning, this all started because Christina said she finds Tony one-dimensional. That's a fair criticism and it wasn't personal. Would it have been hard feedback to take with dignity, sure. But the way Tony and Adam have responded to it has irked me from day one. I don't know if they were insecure or doubtful of Tony's own abilities and talent to prove her wrong, but instead they felt the need to hit back with the Britney cover, then a pointed "How Do You Like Me Now" cover, and then it culminated to this "99 Problems" cover. Christina contributed to it reaching that boiling point but Adam/Tony retaliated with unequal force in such a gross and tacky way.

tl;dr Christina took potshots at Tony's image and celebrity connections, Adam and Tony reappropriated a rap song about racial issues to drag Christina in a misogynistic manner. They're not the same and there's no reason it should have reached that point. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

(Sorry this is so long but I've kept my mouth shut until now, but some of these comments are just drenched in ignorance and bigotry.)

Edited at 2012-05-09 05:43 am (UTC)
mari_lyn00 9th-May-2012 07:26 am (UTC)
This is what bothers me so much, is that she really did speak and choose her words as nice as possible (because you know her ass could have very well been mean about it), yet people still react like she's the biggest bitch in the world for even saying something. It's really effed up.
evilgmbethy 9th-May-2012 10:11 am (UTC)
people are so hard on Christina, honestly, it's depressing. She was completely in the right from day one about Tony, and Adam I think goaded Tony into milking it nonstop to get attention.
devivre 9th-May-2012 05:26 am (UTC)
Hate on Christina all you want, this article is ON POINT.
brucelynn 9th-May-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
Icon love tbh

I love my bb slayang
kofo4 9th-May-2012 05:26 am (UTC)
I'd also point out that i'm a little "ticked" i guess that a song that does talk about racism and racial profiling was used in this kind of way and by this singer.
laurie_springs 9th-May-2012 05:28 am (UTC)
mte
xzackb 9th-May-2012 05:28 am (UTC)
mte. to quote something someone said on here earlier, wtf does tony lucca know about being stopped by a cop for going 55 in a 54?
elliecam 9th-May-2012 05:32 am (UTC)
He did Hugo's version of the song, and Hugo is on Jay-Z label so jay-Z obviously had no problem with that interpretation of his song.
kamikashi 9th-May-2012 05:42 am (UTC)
whats funny is that hugo had a problem with tony doing the song because no one cleared it lol. they did it without permission.
kofo4 9th-May-2012 05:50 am (UTC)
........what does that have to do with my opinion though. Also that he only seemed to have used it to covertly insult a female is also annoying.
callme_morbid 9th-May-2012 05:51 am (UTC)
exactly. at this point i'd rather he sing ~you're so vain or some other shit. this was definitely not the right choice.

but more importantly he just needs to stop

Edited at 2012-05-09 05:51 am (UTC)
muzicnem 9th-May-2012 05:28 am (UTC)
"I have a tendency of getting very physical/so watch your step bc if I do, you'll need a miracle"

"Harder to Breathe" was when I first started becoming suspicious of his asshole tendencies.
laurie_springs 9th-May-2012 05:28 am (UTC)
THANK YOU

I realized that a few years ago and I kind of have never felt the same about him since.
muzicnem 9th-May-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
Yeah you don't put that line in a break up sign just for shits and giggles.
lumosofmylife 9th-May-2012 05:42 am (UTC)
Oh wow. I've never actually listened-listened to his lyrics.
xzackb 9th-May-2012 05:45 am (UTC)
awww how qt, threatening to hit a woman!

he's such a piece of shit.
callme_morbid 9th-May-2012 05:53 am (UTC)
he did that too? o lawd. he is so awful.
saltireflower 9th-May-2012 06:09 am (UTC)
He is scum
arisingphoenix 9th-May-2012 06:42 am (UTC)
While i can't say "i was in the room this is true" and he's def got some sketchy ass misogynistic lyrics. Harder to breathe was supposedly written about their record company giving them shit about "songs about jane" Not to say he's not an ass but I'm sure he's put more out there than this song.
takobella 9th-May-2012 07:29 am (UTC)
i'm hating Adam after this incident, but harder to breath isn't about a woman, its about their record lable fyi
hearthecity 9th-May-2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
actually, nevermind, he said this was about his record label so this argument isn't really working

Edited at 2012-05-09 01:55 pm (UTC)
hotness3ya 9th-May-2012 05:28 am (UTC)
Can I just say I watched Kathie Lee and Hoda talk about this issue and I am very disappointed with them. I thought they would be the voice of reason (lol i know judging myself for this expectation), I can't believe they actually brought up the whole but xtina sang songs about being dirty bullshit.
xzackb 9th-May-2012 05:31 am (UTC)
omg youtube is full of comments like "well look at christina's dirty video, she's degrading women!!11111"

i cant facepalm enough.
raised_eyebrows 9th-May-2012 05:38 am (UTC)
lol srsly what is with people thinking women deserve to be treated like shit if they are overtly sexual or draw any attention to the fact that they have a vagina?

This is reminding me of the Patton Oswalt/Roseanne twitter war where he retweeted some asshole who said that Lindsay Lohan did more to degrade women by flashing her kitten than Louis C.K. did by calling Palin a cunt.
kissme_myfool 9th-May-2012 02:49 pm (UTC)
Same people that believe...if you are wearing jeans, you are asking to be raped!
thewhowhatwhats 9th-May-2012 06:16 am (UTC)
I saw that. I wasn't surprised that they defended Adam and Tony. Neither of them seem like they would be supportive of women in general. Kathy Lee was even more intoxicated than she usually is during today's episode. Maybe she thought up the dirty comparison.
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