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12:52 am - 04/19/2012

Chloe Sevigny thinks it's "reee-donkulous" that she can't say "tranny"

Chloe Sevigny In Trouble For “Tranny” Talk



Chloe Sevigny: I got reamed out by The Advocate the other day for saying “tranny.” I guess I referred to [my character] as a “tranny” a couple of times and apparently, that’s a no-no in the community. I felt really bad! Nobody had ever told me. Did you know that?

Huffington Post: I just know that now because I think Blake Lively also said that recently …

Chloe Sevigny: Oh, so there’s been some uproar. Reee-donkulous. You can’t say anything anymore.


( full interview after the cutCollapse )
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thinkorange127 18th-Apr-2012 05:33 pm (UTC)
Ok devil's advocate, there's nothing inherently bad about the word tranny (right?) so I almost understand. But it's been used so much as a pejorative throughout history and anyone with a brain would know that it's obviously not ok to say, smh at this biddy
crystalzelda 18th-Apr-2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
Are any words ever "inherently" bad? They're just words (letters and sounds), but they're given immense power by the history of their use. It's the context of how they've been used to demean, oppress, insult and dehumanize others that shape the cultural meaning and how we perceive it, even if they came from more "innocent" beginnings where they weren't used as symbol of hate (for example, away from words, the swastika was originally a buddhist symbol representing eternity. Obviously it does not have that meaning anymore, especially in the Western world).

Edited at 2012-04-18 05:39 pm (UTC)
vivisexion 18th-Apr-2012 05:42 pm (UTC)
man, you are making this post worth reading tbh. A+++++
milkradio 19th-Apr-2012 01:21 am (UTC)
iawtc, which is why it bugs me that some assholes try to say "omg gay has a ~second meaning~ now, it doesn't just mean 'homosexual people', it also means 'bad' or 'stupid'!!!! words' meanings change!!!!!!" like wow really do you guys not see the connection between rampant homophobia and the use of "gay" as an insult? really? what the fuck.
imnotasquirrel 18th-Apr-2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
No word is inherently bad as words are completely abstract symbols, but.... oh, basically what crystalzelda says.
caitiecait 18th-Apr-2012 05:36 pm (UTC)
I've probably said this in every Chloe Sevigny post...but I irrationally hate Chloe Sevigny.

And to be fair, I know quite a few trans people who say tranny, so I honestly think it depends on the region/community/etc. (Though that doesn't mean I feel like I have the right to say it, just to clarify.)

Edited at 2012-04-18 05:58 pm (UTC)
goldengal1193 18th-Apr-2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
Booo hooo. We can't say anything offensive anymore!




Yeah, well we can't burn people at the stake anymore either. Are you going to complain about that too?
highd 18th-Apr-2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
To be fair Tranny has only been offensive for like /looks at calendar, a year and some change. So while I understand there are people who don't like the word, I think saying it's across the board offensive is a bit of a stretch. Especially when I hear trans people use it and their families and friends. I mean maybe it's regional or whatever but living in Montreal, Pittsburgh, NYC, and Boston, I heard that word from the time I was a kid and it was never in a negative or nasty way. It was just a contraction of transgendered, transvestite and so one.


dottiehinkle 18th-Apr-2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
Tranny is one of my favorite words tbh and I'll say it whenever I want. Brb going to scream it from the roof of my house.

Edited at 2012-04-18 05:39 pm (UTC)
vivisexion 18th-Apr-2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
yeah, it's super-ridiculous that she can't use a slur. CRY MOAR, CHLOE.
yuyithemermaid 18th-Apr-2012 05:39 pm (UTC)


just because you don't mean to trip doesn't mean you won't fall. intent means pretty much nothing
darkwarrior 18th-Apr-2012 05:40 pm (UTC)
So I have heard her name before but never really knew who she was. Someone mentioned Brown bunny.

I now know who Chloe Sevigny is.
little_pete 18th-Apr-2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
lol, i also wasn't aware that it isn't "ok" to say tranny anymore, but i will keep saying it and not giving a shit what sort of internet housewhite it offends.
yuyithemermaid 18th-Apr-2012 05:46 pm (UTC)
diamond_dust06 18th-Apr-2012 06:44 pm (UTC)
Dr. Tyson would have none of this shit tbh.
lucciolaa 18th-Apr-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
You sound absolutely charming.
saltireflower 18th-Apr-2012 05:58 pm (UTC)
Wow, what courage. I wonder how the actual people you use this word around will react.
givethesignal 18th-Apr-2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
~ S O * B R A V E ~
soho 18th-Apr-2012 07:13 pm (UTC)
It's used to hurt and demean certain people so yeah.. it isn't okay. You don't get to decide on what other people are offended by. Go ahead and say it, but we're also free to call you a bigoted jackass.
nationalboner 18th-Apr-2012 07:30 pm (UTC)
So ~cool of you to be intentionally insensitive.
tradskins 18th-Apr-2012 05:45 pm (UTC)
sit the fuck down, fellow cis queers especially. the way yall are about trans slurs makes me ashamed. it's not cute, i promise.

tradskins, out. tbh.
grammaire 18th-Apr-2012 05:45 pm (UTC)
I adore her but she's an idiot.
metrictons 18th-Apr-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
I always thought tranny was just short for transvestite, transgender or transexual.

lol @ them trying to throw Blake under the bus tho.
so_chic_doll 18th-Apr-2012 06:05 pm (UTC)
anytime i hear tranny, i just think of the Siriano sketch from SNL

http://www.hulu.com/watch/11932/saturday-night-live-new-bravo-show
highd 18th-Apr-2012 08:25 pm (UTC)
I only think of Dr. Frankfurter rocking that garter and being sexy.
hpxstac 18th-Apr-2012 09:25 pm (UTC)
Yeah I thought the same thing. I've never heard or seen the word applied to someone who identifies as transgender or transexual.
grammaire 18th-Apr-2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
Also not cute are the "I say this all the time and I don't care!" comments.
turi 18th-Apr-2012 05:50 pm (UTC)
uh oh, Brenden.
grammaire 18th-Apr-2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
malarkiness 18th-Apr-2012 06:05 pm (UTC)
ikr Damn, do they want a sticker or something? I mean, congratulations for shitting on marginalized people, that takes a lot of courage. Way to stick it to the man.
samiringo 18th-Apr-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
intent does matter when i think about whether someone is a good person or not. however, good intent doesn't mean you can throw around offensive words. you are only serving to make use of an offensive word normal, even if you didn't mean it in a "bad" way.

like calling people the n-word, f-word, etc, just because you aren't a racist or a homophobe doesn't give you license to use it (unless you are part of the community to which the slurs belong).

i hate when people say "that's so gay" or "stop being a such a girl". their INTENT was probably not bad, the people i usually hear those statements from are not bad people, but i'm just like dude, seriously? please take responsibility for the ideas you are perpetuating just by making those statements.
abbreviated_kt 18th-Apr-2012 06:43 pm (UTC)
This comment is accurate.
highd 18th-Apr-2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
I think this type of thinking gives words too much power. I mean yes there are going to be people that are dip shits and use words, slurs or otherwise as weapons but I don't think it's right to make words verboten. I think it takes common sense and sensitivity to know when or if to use any word that's why it's important to think before you speak.

The way the world is not, means any white person rapping along with Snoop is a racist because they sing the N word. or every straight person becomes a homophobe when they scream the F word with Brian Kinney while watching QAF, because you are into the show. I mean I feel just a tad infantile having to say N word and F word like I am talking around a group old 3 year olds.

I was taught not to call names or use slurs but I think it was a common sense, good for the world type thing and not because my parents didn't think those words should be taken from our vocabulary.



milkradio 19th-Apr-2012 01:30 am (UTC)
i hate when people say "that's so gay" or "stop being a such a girl". their INTENT was probably not bad, the people i usually hear those statements from are not bad people, but i'm just like dude, seriously? please take responsibility for the ideas you are perpetuating just by making those statements.

OH GOD I KNOW. I fucking cannot stand when people say shit like that. So many of my high school friends loved to say "that's so gay" irl and whenever I'd sarcastically go "Yeah, that is totally homosexual......" and give them a look like "come on, guys," they did not get it. They eventually started actually saying "This is so homosexual" when something bag happened (wtf) or they'd write it as "ghey" and I was like "Ugh, I cannot." What sucks even more about this is that so many of them would claim to be totally anti-homophobia and would get upset on behalf of this very stereotypically gay boy in our grade when the other guys would give him shit (he eventually transfered to another school down the road and didn't visit our school much after that...) and would routinely ask me in an accusatory way if I was a lesbian (as if it was a bad thing! wtf!) when I wasn't going on and on about ~hawt guys omg~ like they were (sorry if I find that embarrassing and awkward to talk about!) and I would always be like "And what if I was?" or "Why does it matter...?" Honestly, I'm so glad I don't see these dipshits anymore.

And don't even get me started on girls and women who say shit like "I can see your vagina from here" when a guy is being "a wimp" or "stop being such a girl," or whatever. I will go off on a page-long rant if I don't stop right here.
samiringo 19th-Apr-2012 07:35 pm (UTC)
yeah!!!! i 100% IA. my semi-friend (i'm weaning him and his friends off, they are pissing me off lately) was talking to our other friend, and was all, "that's so-- uh, i was gonna say gay, but i don't want samira to get mad." i was like...seriously? you are just not going to use that word because i'm going to get mad, not because you understand why the fuck you shouldn't say it in the first place? i was at a bar with a friend of mine who is gay, and a group of other people my other friend knew. one of those guys said "blabla is soo gay" and i was like nope don't say that shit. and my gay friend was like "wellll he didn't mean it in a bad way" and i responded with "sure, he's not a bad person, but saying shit like that just perpetuates the implication that gay = bad." the guy who said it was also jewish, so that was a good example to use, because people do say shit like "stop being such a jew," which is in the same vein. my gay friend later pulled me over and thanked me, he said he usually never spoke up in those situations for fear of seeming over-bearing etc.

the girl he's friends with too, she refers to him as her "gay best friend." when i first met him, we were at a crowded club, so i let it slide when she said that bc i thought maybe she was just trying to tell us that it's cool, he's gay, he won't try to hit on you etc. but she kept saying it and i'm like...umm you know he's not an accessory, right? and she invites him to all the "girls' nights" etc, which i don't mind, but i'm like...our mutual love of dick does not make him a girl, the same way lesbians don't become boys just because they like vagina.

one person accused me of always getting on the "moral highground." i'm like...really? moral highground? you saying shit like slut and cunt is personally offensive to me, i'm telling you to stop offending me and women everywhere. in no way does that imply a holier than thou attitude. the GIRLS in the group were like "please don't say slut, don't get her started"-- like, don't use that word to avoid getting me mad, not because it's fucking offensive. these other girls were calling 14-15 year old girls sluts because they were wearing short shorts on the BEACH. just so much wtf.

some people get it, most people don't. my bf actually told me i helped open up his eyes to a lot of discrimination women face today, which was cool. i also used to live with 3 guys, and they also told me i helped raise some awareness with them (one of them always sends me pro-women related articles haha).

sorry for the tl;dr, but yeah...i feel you :)
milkradio 19th-Apr-2012 01:36 am (UTC)
Oh and I meant to say that I agree that unless you're apart of a specific group that's being targeted by an offensive word, you shouldn't use it at all. Like as a white person, I will never go around using the n-word, but at the same time I do understand why it's such a divisive topic among black people; I get why some want to do away with it entirely because they feel it's just horrible and negative while I can also see why others want to reclaim it, but it would not be cool of me to butt my head into a conversation about it and tell black people what they should do or how they should feel about that word. It's really not my place, just like it's not the place of any person who doesn't belong to the oppressed group in question (eg. straight people, cis people, white people, etc) to tell others what they should do and how they should feel. It's just like... it doesn't affect you the same way it does them, so just keep out of it and respect the fact that while your personal friends may not have a problem with an offensive term, others might and you shouldn't get upset when they say "Hey, I find that term offensive, you know..."
alouds 18th-Apr-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
obviously chloe isn't out bashing the trans* community and while i understand her intention, that doesn't excuse her outright ignorance of the fact that just because you did not KNOW something is offensive doesn't mean it's still NOT offensive. be an adult and own up to it and admit you were wrong in what you said, say that you were ignorant and didn't know while and apologizing for it. i don't know why people can't do that like i do when i'm unintentionally ignorant.

i'm a male bodied genderqueer who is attracted to guys and a sociology major and i still don't know everything when it comes to social justice...and i'd be the first one to admit that. while i pride myself on being pro-social justice as much as i can, when i'm called out for being ignorant on something i THANK the people who did because i'm being EDUCATED by them. what's the worst than can happen by admitting you were wrong? oh wait, nothing but becoming educated afterward to help STOP this kind of behavior that perpetuates transphobia.
imsodeep 18th-Apr-2012 05:52 pm (UTC)
Exactly. I don't have a problem with people who just don't know any better, but once the issue is POINTED OUT TO THEM, they should be like "Oh, I'm sorry. I wasn't aware. I will change my terms from now on." Boom. That's it.
alouds 18th-Apr-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
ita to me refusing to acknowledge your privilege and/or ignorance after being called out on it is much more offensive and infuriating than being unintentionally offensive. is it really that hard to try to be a good person?
glowing_dragon 19th-Apr-2012 12:51 am (UTC)
So what do you identify as? A guy or a girl? Just curious. Or somewhere between the two, if there's such a thing these days?
imsodeep 18th-Apr-2012 05:49 pm (UTC)
Gotta love the "OMG I can't say ANYTHING anymore!"

I know, it's so hard to take slurs against LGBTQ and POC out of your vocabulary. I feel so so bad for you.

Edited at 2012-04-18 05:53 pm (UTC)
vonlisbon 18th-Apr-2012 06:19 pm (UTC)
lol ikr

What a struggle it must be to have to switch out a whole entire word when referring to a group of people. Mebbe they have support groups for that.
soho 18th-Apr-2012 07:16 pm (UTC)
I KNOW. It's so hard to be a decent person, jfc.
nationalboner 18th-Apr-2012 07:32 pm (UTC)
HAHA IKR. It's so HARD to be respectful to your fellow human beings!
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