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7:10 pm - 04/10/2012

Game of Thrones - In Defence of Ros


I don't think that I acually hate Ros.In fact, I may be starting to like her a little. This
episode proved to me that Esme Bianco is more than capable of acting and thus
is not personally at fault for my initial disdain for her character.


I think that our slightly misdirected
rage comes from two different places:
1. Game of Thrones has a
nakedness problem. It often contains an over-abundance of
"Sexposition" (a term coined by Myles McNutt) or else some straight
up "Hey! Boobs!" (an idea put forward by Mo Ryan).


Ros has been
involved in some of Game of Thrones' least necessary nudity. She was at the
heart of the show's most controversial example of sexposition, namely the
whole 'Littlefinger Presents: King's Landing Idol - Brothel Edition!!!'
ordeal. It seems like she exists for the express purpose of filling HBO's
episodic boob quota. Why even bother having her around? Boobs are fun and all,
but honestly, I'm trying to enjoy me some Game of Thrones. If I wanted to
watch softcore porn, I would find some softcore porn to watch. Not to mention
the awkwardness of watching this show with your friends and their parents.
That's always a good time.

Regardless, there's certainly a larger discussion about the necessity of
nudity in television to be had; however, due to a lack of space and time
constraints, in short, I stand firmly on the side that favours nudity for the
sake of realism. If main characters are having sex, then nudity should be
fine. Tyrion and Shae come to mind, as does this episode's Melisandre/Stannis
scene. Also, if you enter a brothel, nudity should probably be happening.
Should we enjoy 30 seconds of sexy times before making our way over to the
plot? Probably not (although I'd have to look at each situation on a
case-by-case basis; setting the mood is sometimes both interesting and
informative).

The rather long-winded point I'm trying to make is that we don't actually
hate Ros personally. We hate unnecessary nudity. Up until now, she has largely
been involved in the worst of it; however, her two scenes so far this season
have turned that idea completely on its head. She hasn't yet appeared naked,
nor has she had sex on screen. She was present during a Hey! Boobs! moment
last episode, but I would argue that it was a somewhat hyperbolic use of
nudity to set the mood for imminent baby brothel murderings. It also served to
show us that she had become the teacher (in direct contrast to the
aforementioned Littlefinger training scene).
Littlefinger unloading his back-story while auditioning whores was probably
unnecessary. Littlefinger existing in his brothel, only to have a fully
clothed scene with a PTSD-suffering Ros is fine by me. Especially since Ros
has been portrayed as such a strong individual. Aiden Gillen made Littlefinger
come across as more than just a fake-smile-bearing mastermind and Esme Bianco
added some depth to an otherwise one-dimensional character. Littlefinger is
legitimately the world's biggest creep and, one would imagine, more than a tad
emotional baggagey too. He honestly doesn't care about any of these women, nor
does he see them as people. He isn't a papa-bear-style whorehouse owner
leaping on the men that mistreat his women. If those men can pay for the
mistreatment, it's all fine by him. He wants her to stop crying so that she
can make him more money. If not, he'll find a way to make more money at her
expense.

While some more Littlefinger/Varys confrontations would have been exciting, I
would argue that this scene revealed a lot more about Littlefinger's character
than another of those encounters would have offered at present. It definitely
could have used some shortening here and there, but all in all, I was quite
pleased with how it turned out. Any complaints about nudity lie with
Littlefinger (well, no, with the writers), not Ros.

Conclusion: Don't shoot the messenger!


2. If you've read the books,
there's certainly some merit in being concerned about any character NOT from
the novels appearing on your screen. Especially when, like mentioned before,
said character seems to exist for the sole purpose of meeting HBO's boob
quota. It also detracts from the amount of screen time given to better
characters, such as Tyrion. And believe me, I am more than acutely aware of
the irony inherent in me writing an entire article about Ros to the detriment
of an actual review of the episode.


Regardless, I believe that these fears are completely unfounded (at least as
of the the start of the second season). The most important point that I think
I can make is that Ros seems to be taking on the role of Chataya. As such, we
can't actually argue that she isn't someone from the books. We knew that, with
a cast of several hundred characters, we were going to have to make some
compromises for the sake of television storytelling. We knew that certain
minor players would be combined into a single character and that others would
be dropped entirely. The only real complaint that I would levy in the
direction of the casting directors is that Ros becoming Chataya effectively
white washes the character (Chataya was black in the novels). I won't get into
that now, but issues surrounding diversity casting are absolutely worth
discussing.
Why then not simply cast a new character in the role of Chataya, since Ros
seems to have stirred up some visceral hatred? I would argue that, having
followed Ros all the way from Winterfell to King's Landing, we now have a much
stronger connection to the character than we ever did with Chataya in the
novels. Ros slept with Tyrion, Theon, Grand Maester Pycelle, and is now
working for Littlefinger. She witnessed the murder of one of Robert's Bastards
first-hand. Even moreso than the comet, she serves as a strong connection
between several key men of power. Instead of having random whores present
during each sex scene, I think it's better stroytelling to include a single
character to be developed in her own right. If we hate Ros as she is now,
imagine how we would feel about a huge number of different prostitutes.

You might argue that we don't actually need any sex-with-prostitutes scenes
at all, but I think that placing characters in vulnerable positions is a great
way to find out more about them. Grand Maester Pycelle was revealed to be much
less of a senile old man than we had been led to believe, Theon has control
issues, Littlefinger has too many issues to name, etc.

Conclusion: Ros is a useful storytelling tool.


A final point I'd like to make is that we should really calm down about the
existence of new characters. If they have nothing to offer us, then
absolutely, hate away... but the initial gut reaction causing us to scream
'SHE ISN'T PART OF THE CANON SO GET HER OFF MY SCREEN' is something that we
all ought to fight. This isn't the novel, nor could it ever be a direct
adaptation of the novel.

Conclusion: Let's see what television has to offer!

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devochkazhenya 10th-Apr-2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
but Chataya and Alayaya....
fashionbabylon 10th-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
mte, I wouldn't even care tbh but she's taking the place of FLAWLESS QUEENS and it's simply unbearable.

oh also, did the scene in your icon actually happen in the books? I don't remember them fucking for the life of me so when I was watching it I was like excuse me
devochkazhenya 10th-Apr-2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
I am in A Storm of Swords right now but so far there haven't been any Melistannis sex scenes in the books but when Davos is captures when attempting to kill Mels she wants to enlist him in the help of making shadow babies and says that she will give him *~pleasure~* and he will be helping her out at the same time.
Apparently in A Dance With Dragons there is a line that says that her bed doesn't get any use because Stannis isn't in it with her (apparently Mels doesn't sleep? Idk I'm not that far )
I'm sorry this isn't under a spoiler tag y'all but every time I try to implement it I screw it up.
for_serious13 11th-Apr-2012 03:52 am (UTC)
I HAD THE SAME REACTION!!!

I totally didn't see anything in the books about them fucking, i thought the shadow person was from magic, (BECAUSE IT WASN'T A BABY, IT WAS A FULL GROWN HUMAN) and the books make it sound like stannis is such a stick in the mud for rules and loyalty i can't see him being with her. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i don't like it
talksleazy 10th-Apr-2012 05:35 pm (UTC)
exactly. there are already canon prostitutes, who are smart and charming and not white people
all things we need to see more of on tv!
javamonster983 10th-Apr-2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
FUTURE QUEEN OF EVERYTHING TBH
egads 10th-Apr-2012 05:26 pm (UTC)
LMAO OUR COMMENTS/ICONS
javamonster983 10th-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
LOL WE ONLY SPEAK THE TRUTH
goofusgallant 10th-Apr-2012 05:32 pm (UTC)
NO LIES DETECTED
cobainerz 10th-Apr-2012 10:31 pm (UTC)
your icon looks like that really cute weasel and the fish

lastingchances 10th-Apr-2012 05:25 pm (UTC)
i felt bad for her in the last ep when littlefinger basically threatened her :(
fashionbabylon 10th-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
she didnt seem to mind it too much tho
mingemonster 10th-Apr-2012 06:52 pm (UTC)
wtf were you watching
devochkazhenya 10th-Apr-2012 05:32 pm (UTC)
me too...I would have been so terrified. Although Tv!Littlefinger is kind of an idiot.
egads 10th-Apr-2012 05:26 pm (UTC)
FUTURE QUEEN OF THE SEVEN KINGDOMS
cigarettelover 10th-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
I have no fucks to give about her, I just want to see as much dick on this show as I do boobs.
fashionbabylon 10th-Apr-2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
if you want equitable dicks in an HBO show, watch rome! every dick you could want to see, you get. spartacus is the same way, we've seen everyone's cock by now and it's AWESOME
interrobamf 10th-Apr-2012 05:54 pm (UTC)
Spartacus has some lousy fake dicks, though.
groffiswin 10th-Apr-2012 07:52 pm (UTC)
ngl, I googled Rome and I may or may not be about to doanload it
isthisdesire 10th-Apr-2012 07:54 pm (UTC)
A+ comment

Not only funny but informative and illuminating
bee_xx3 10th-Apr-2012 05:29 pm (UTC)
Mte. At least balance it out ffs.
sh3l8y 10th-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
i like her cuz shes gorgeous /shallow
lastingchances 10th-Apr-2012 05:32 pm (UTC)
LOL
mors_amor 10th-Apr-2012 06:04 pm (UTC)
lol basically.
isthisdesire 10th-Apr-2012 07:55 pm (UTC)
She looks prettier/hotter in those burlesque nudies she has rolling around on tumblr
bee_xx3 10th-Apr-2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
Sexposition doesn't even work imo. When characters are having srs bsn discussions whilst getting it in (that mofo Theon) I honestly can't even concentrate on what their saying, just wondering when the awkward thrusting is going to be over and the boob show will end.
watermeloncholy 10th-Apr-2012 05:37 pm (UTC)
The only time it worked was in the Viserys scene and the Theon scenes.

They rely on it way too fucking much and it's just terrible in the Littlefinger scenes.
hateistoodark 10th-Apr-2012 05:40 pm (UTC)
Viserys and Doreah scene worked because it had more dialogue than fucking
oktobergoud 10th-Apr-2012 05:58 pm (UTC)
Yes, this!! Way too distracting (and awkward) blaaah
hannahstarr 10th-Apr-2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
this. That scene in s1 when Littlefinger is training Ros and the other girl is the best example. I had to rewatch it several times because I found myself focusing on the girls and ignoring everything Petyr was saying.
cyberghostface 10th-Apr-2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
wauwy 10th-Apr-2012 05:48 pm (UTC)
perfect movie.

Listen to your friend Billy Zane.
crayzee_mouse IA10th-Apr-2012 07:47 pm (UTC)
He's a cool dude.
lucillebluth 10th-Apr-2012 05:28 pm (UTC)
Ros could have been a good idea, in theory. Because outside of Gendry/the Brotherhood without Banners there's very little representation of common, non-noble folk in the books so it'd be nice to have more of that in the show.

But she's clearly only there for awkward sexposition scenes so...
fashionbabylon 10th-Apr-2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
I get what you're saying but I just don't agree. any chapter with arya after the first book is nothing but arya and commoners. and yeah the chapters are about her, but they're also about the normal people and the ravaged land.
watermeloncholy 10th-Apr-2012 05:29 pm (UTC)
Sorry, never going to like her.
devochkazhenya 10th-Apr-2012 05:34 pm (UTC)
I feel the same way too tbh. They cut my flawless mother/daughter team for her and I'm not sure that can be forgiven
watermeloncholy 10th-Apr-2012 05:44 pm (UTC)
Don't even get me started.
bathstone 10th-Apr-2012 05:55 pm (UTC)
This!
queen_insane 10th-Apr-2012 06:14 pm (UTC)
Same. Idk just the existence of her rubs me the wrong way. She had some potential but it's all squandered.
punkylana 10th-Apr-2012 06:43 pm (UTC)
mte
she_kender 10th-Apr-2012 08:15 pm (UTC)
Same
hope_remains 11th-Apr-2012 07:46 am (UTC)
Same. I hate her character and I especially hate her face.
kris_terror 10th-Apr-2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
I just hate that they sacrifice SO MUCH SCREENTIME for her.
mariemaru 10th-Apr-2012 06:41 pm (UTC)
Word. No Joffrey, Sansa, Catelyn or Rob last week, but we get a pointless Ros/Littlefinger scene that did... what? Show Littlefinger is an asshole? Mmmyeah, I know that already.
she_kender 10th-Apr-2012 08:18 pm (UTC)
Exactly! There is precious little screen time as it is and to waste it on some BORING, non-book character bugs me.
lathwen1 11th-Apr-2012 03:06 am (UTC)
ita
saffronshire 10th-Apr-2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
I didn't hate her in the first season, but I had a hard time with her in the first two episodes, I don't know why. But I agree that the scene with Littlefinger was mainly there to give more substance to his character.
watermeloncholy 10th-Apr-2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
There's more of her coming unfortunately.
saffronshire 10th-Apr-2012 05:39 pm (UTC)
Too much Ros, not enough Sansa, that's my problem.
oktobergoud 10th-Apr-2012 06:02 pm (UTC)
nooooo :(((
starshineblue 10th-Apr-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
In the first season, she actually served a purpose, giving you a little bit more background on some of the characters, however dumb her scenes were. But the scene with her and Littlefinger in the last episode pissed me off. It added nothing to the story, it was boring, and it used up more time that could have gone to characters that actually move the plot forward. Be useful or GTFO.
one_hoopy_frood 10th-Apr-2012 05:30 pm (UTC)
This is the opposite of a compelling argument.
goofusgallant 10th-Apr-2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
MY QUEEN!!!
loveumbrella 10th-Apr-2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
The girl cannot act at all (which is made even more painfully obvious by the otherwise brilliant cast) and she's an unnecessary character, so...
ellaellaeheheh 10th-Apr-2012 06:33 pm (UTC)
agreed. she is just not a good actor.
bienenkiste 10th-Apr-2012 06:55 pm (UTC)
mte.
love_keiko 10th-Apr-2012 09:37 pm (UTC)
THIS
hope_remains 11th-Apr-2012 07:47 am (UTC)
OMG YES. Yes. Awful actor. That tries to make up for her acting deficiencies by making these exaggerated faces and opening up her humongous horse mouth as wide as possible.
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