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11:19 pm - 04/03/2012

Joel Stein: "Adults Should Read Adult Books"



The only thing more embarrassing than catching a guy on the plane looking at pornography on his computer is seeing a guy on the plane reading “The Hunger Games.” Or a Twilight book. Or Harry Potter. The only time I’m O.K. with an adult holding a children’s book is if he’s moving his mouth as he reads.

I’m sure all those books are well written. So is “Horton Hatches the Egg.” But Horton doesn’t have the depth of language and character as literature written for people who have stopped physically growing.

I appreciate that adults occasionally watch Pixar movies or play video games. That’s fine. Those media don’t require much of your brains. Books are one of our few chances to learn. There’s a reason my teachers didn’t assign me to go home and play three hours of Donkey Kong.

I have no idea what “The Hunger Games” is like. Maybe there are complicated shades of good and evil in each character. Maybe there are Pynchonesque turns of phrase. Maybe it delves into issues of identity, self-justification and anomie that would make David Foster Wallace proud. I don’t know because it’s a book for kids. I’ll read “The Hunger Games” when I finish the previous 3,000 years of fiction written for adults.

Let’s have the decency to let tween girls have their own little world of vampires and child wizards and games you play when hungry. Let’s not pump Justin Bieber in our Saabs and get engaged at Cinderella’s Castle at Disneyland. Because it’s embarrassing. You can’t take an adult seriously when he’s debating you over why Twilight vampires are O.K. with sunlight. If my parents had read “Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing” at the same time as I did, I would have looked into boarding school.




NYTimes Fail Opinion
poehleroid 4th-Apr-2012 01:21 pm (UTC)
whatever

i read both and you can't stop me
can't be tamed
isuspectnargels 4th-Apr-2012 01:21 pm (UTC)
I will read whatever the fuck I want thank you very much. If I want to read adult novels only for the rest of my life, I will do it. If I choose to read only Pre-K oriented books for the rest of my life, I will fucking do it cos I'm an adult and I can read whatever the fuck I want. If I want to listen to silly boy bands and dance around like a lunatic, I will. If I want to go to Disney World and go to the Cinderella castle and and jump around like a five year old cos I'm so excited cos holy shit I'm at fucking Disney World, I will. What I read, listen to and enjoy should not reflect on how I am perceived as an adult and no one can judge me.

Fuck you very much Joel.
natvach 4th-Apr-2012 01:41 pm (UTC)
I like you.
wigsnatcher 4th-Apr-2012 03:55 pm (UTC)
preach this motherfuckin sermon, my kween
corona_boreal 4th-Apr-2012 01:23 pm (UTC)
my mom (55) reads many kinds of books, from nobel prize winners to obscure novels she finds interesting, plays, the classics, etc. she likes YA too. and loves HP (she doesn't care about the movies tho).
bacteriophage 4th-Apr-2012 01:27 pm (UTC)
What a pretentious cocksucker. Not everyone on earth has had the privilege of obtaining higher education, or even a grade school education, and some adults honestly are not equipped to read "books for adults". Reading in almost any capacity is good, many studies show it improves critical thinking, vocabulary, etc. I think it's fucking absurd that Twi-moms exist, but anything that gets people reading, thinking, further educating themselves, etc. should not be frowned upon. Also, if adults just stop reading books for kids all together, how the fuck is any English/literature curriculum for schools meant to be developed? I just think this guy is a snobby asshole tbh.
loony_moony 4th-Apr-2012 01:38 pm (UTC)
Isn't he the idiot who writes all those stupid columns for Time which only highlight how out of touch he is with reality?
natvach 4th-Apr-2012 01:40 pm (UTC)
Ain't no one going to tell me I'm too old for Harry Potter. You can GTFO.
brightstarsure 4th-Apr-2012 02:28 pm (UTC)
I don't see a problem with reading YA because I'm 22 and I 'm still reading them. I grew up with Harry Potter, so I still find it interesting to read and watch from time to time. I think YA books offer so many genre and I believe that they offer lessons to be learned for everyone. Harry Potter offered friendship, courage, integrity and love. I think people should be able to read what they want, when they want to. My only problem is when I see someone 20 years older than speaking about a character in a way that should be illegal. Now not all adults do this but some that I met that has done this, I really question their mental capacity.

I also don't think everyone has to be at the mental capacity of a 12 year old to read YA books.
_folieadeux 4th-Apr-2012 02:43 pm (UTC)
There's shit in all genres and there's good stuff in them too. A good book is a good book. Full stop. I don't give a fuck what fucking genre it happens to be in.

Edited at 2012-04-04 02:44 pm (UTC)
preeho 4th-Apr-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
THIS ARTICLE DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE. JOEL STEIN IS A MORON.

let's not forget that this is the genius that brought us this pulitzer prize winning piece: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1999416,00.html

it's obvious that they just threw this shit in there because every other article was in support of Young Adult literature.

I got in a huge fight with a friend over this dumb article, and not because I disagree with him (which I do) but because it is SO POORLY WRITTEN. He's not saying anything the title of the article doesn't say. There are no facts, no back up, no nothing. So fuck you, Joel Stein. Shut up.
cab 4th-Apr-2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
lol this reminds me of e readers vs actual books

who gives a shit my sister who is 25 likes sarah dessen i make fun of her sometimes but at least she reads
velvetunicorn 4th-Apr-2012 03:16 pm (UTC)
I hate the e-reader debate. I also hear some flack about using libraries instead of buying. Seriously? God forbid we save some trees and keep the libraries open.
velvetunicorn 4th-Apr-2012 03:14 pm (UTC)
I get what he's saying but ultimately people should read what they want. I would have never read any YA books (even when I was the target age) because I'm pretentious if it weren't for my book club. I discovered The Book Thief through it and it's now one of my favourites. I'm sure there's a lot of gems in YA that I'd enjoy just like there's a lot of adult lit that I won't.
saintclaire87 4th-Apr-2012 03:23 pm (UTC)
I understand his point and I get what he is saying but I think adults can read what they want. I grew up reading Harry Potter and I still love them. I won't stop reading HP because I am a adult.

But I will say that I haven't read any YA books for a long time. The YA section does not interest me anymore.
fruitariyum 4th-Apr-2012 03:27 pm (UTC)
yeah, like when half the book r about ppl dealing w/ like wut they're going 2 wear 2 prom, whut boy likes them & other insecurities u kind of grow out of as u get older.... it doesnt appeal 2 me dat much either. im not saying all YA fiction is like dat.... but i rly dont relate to "high school issues" anymore.
adaveen 4th-Apr-2012 03:31 pm (UTC)
The Da Vinci Code was written for "adults"

I rest my case.

georgeslymaniv 4th-Apr-2012 05:08 pm (UTC)
lolol
theladyflash 4th-Apr-2012 03:38 pm (UTC)
I get reading YA stuff once in a while for fun fluff. But reading only YA all the time when you're an adult just seems odd to me. Like still playing with Barbies as an adult. I don't know. What ever keeps you happy I guess.
almightyspaz 4th-Apr-2012 06:28 pm (UTC)
Yeah, this I can agree with. Broaden your horizons is all I say.
theladyflash 4th-Apr-2012 06:39 pm (UTC)
I'm in my mid twenties and a friend of mine buys every hot YA series all the time and gets CRAZY obsessed with them etc. She won't even try anything in the fiction, literature section i recommend to her and think she'll like. It's so bizarre..And I just smile, nod lol
smelltheflowers 4th-Apr-2012 04:07 pm (UTC)

I've continued to think about this following the comment I made on Page 17 last night at around 2:00am. At the time, I was purely angry, and I still stand by my sentiments.

That said, after continuing to think about it this morning, all I feel for this man is pure pity. This issue is clearly not limited to whether or not Stein believes adults should real young adult literature. This poor, pathetic man clearly has defined what constitutes 'adulthood' in such a narrow-minded, limited way as to shut himself off from so many wonderful experiences.

He doesn't know what he's missing, and I think his arbitrary definition of what is 'appropriate' and 'mature' has made him a very angry, bitter man. We can see the evidence of such feeling in this article alone, not to mention his other works which are filled with bigotry and hatred toward others.

He is disparaging toward those who play video games or watch animated films, even those of the extreme depth of feeling and resonance like the Toy Story series. He implies that spending time at Disneyland (Or, I'm assuming, Walt Disney World) is 'embarrassing'. Well you know what? I love video games. Throughout my life, I've played and loved many, particularly Epic Mickey, Spyro, and L.A. Noire. I love animated films and movies. I particularly love Disney and Pixar films, and know most of the songs off by heart. I still visit WDW every one or two years, and I enjoy it every single time.

Does that mean I'm regressing into childhood, sucking my thumb and generally acting like an embarrassing child, like Joel Stein implies? Hardly. I've taken a cruise to Rome, Greece, Egypt and many other locales, and have learned from each and every culture. For the past three years, I've read over one hundred historical studies, biographies and other non-fiction work for pleasure.

I am not defined by one thing I enjoy. Unlike Stein, who apparently can't enjoy a range of different interests at once, I am open to all different experiences, and don't cut myself off simply because they may not be geared toward me. This man is living in a black-and-white hole created by his own hand, while I like to think I'm enjoying life in Technicolour.

This man has no power of us. He is an impotent, small person who is upset over his own choices, and therefore attempts to take it out on others by dictating to us what he believes is appropriate. The only power he can inflict over us is that we which provide him. I refuse to be angry, because then I'm allowing his toxicity to affect me. All I feel for this man is shame and pity, as he is the one losing out. Not me, and certainly not many of the other people in this power who disagree with his sentiments.

Edited at 2012-04-04 04:12 pm (UTC)

georgeslymaniv 4th-Apr-2012 05:09 pm (UTC)
He does seem bitter, doesn't he? Like he just had the joy sucked out of his life and doesn't want anyone to have it.
wauwy 4th-Apr-2012 05:27 pm (UTC)
tl;dr tho

my attention span has obviously suffered from all the Jane Langton I snacked upon in my youth.
almightyspaz 4th-Apr-2012 06:30 pm (UTC)
I now have a job and can afford to buy stuff that I couldn't when I was a kid. I now have the cash to buy things like video games and action figures. Mr. Stein makes some sort of implication that you have to shoot the child in you that points and goes "OOOH CAN I PLAY WITH THAT?"

Hell, we invented Dave and Buster's just so we could play games without looking weird for hanging out at a Chuck E. Cheese. I agree with you, he seems bitter.
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