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11:19 pm - 04/03/2012

Joel Stein: "Adults Should Read Adult Books"



The only thing more embarrassing than catching a guy on the plane looking at pornography on his computer is seeing a guy on the plane reading “The Hunger Games.” Or a Twilight book. Or Harry Potter. The only time I’m O.K. with an adult holding a children’s book is if he’s moving his mouth as he reads.

I’m sure all those books are well written. So is “Horton Hatches the Egg.” But Horton doesn’t have the depth of language and character as literature written for people who have stopped physically growing.

I appreciate that adults occasionally watch Pixar movies or play video games. That’s fine. Those media don’t require much of your brains. Books are one of our few chances to learn. There’s a reason my teachers didn’t assign me to go home and play three hours of Donkey Kong.

I have no idea what “The Hunger Games” is like. Maybe there are complicated shades of good and evil in each character. Maybe there are Pynchonesque turns of phrase. Maybe it delves into issues of identity, self-justification and anomie that would make David Foster Wallace proud. I don’t know because it’s a book for kids. I’ll read “The Hunger Games” when I finish the previous 3,000 years of fiction written for adults.

Let’s have the decency to let tween girls have their own little world of vampires and child wizards and games you play when hungry. Let’s not pump Justin Bieber in our Saabs and get engaged at Cinderella’s Castle at Disneyland. Because it’s embarrassing. You can’t take an adult seriously when he’s debating you over why Twilight vampires are O.K. with sunlight. If my parents had read “Tales of a Fourth Grade Nothing” at the same time as I did, I would have looked into boarding school.




NYTimes Fail Opinion
we_eat_coldcuts 4th-Apr-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
R.L. Stine > Joel Stein

I might read Monster Blood this weekend, now that I think about it.
josiefier 4th-Apr-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
My s/n name agrees with this. I'm in the mood for the Fear Street Seniors series myself.
x_funkymonkey_x 4th-Apr-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
omg you're s/n lol

~rearrange the Fier name and you'll have *FIRE*~
sustainablefuel 4th-Apr-2012 04:26 am (UTC)
I loved those! I thought the seniors series, the dead cheerleaders, and all the historic ones were his scariest books.
10acgirl 4th-Apr-2012 04:47 pm (UTC)
NGL, I loved the Fear Street series...I may just order some off amazon for nostalgias sake!
rachbomb 4th-Apr-2012 04:07 am (UTC)
dead!!!!!!!!
annabelle921 4th-Apr-2012 04:29 am (UTC)
true that.
rosedotcom 4th-Apr-2012 04:42 am (UTC)
IA.

Read. Read. Read. Just don't read one type of book. Read different books. - R.L. Stein
loosedefense 4th-Apr-2012 06:04 am (UTC)
Sarah Fear's evil spirit was the best work he ever did.
scarletfbl 4th-Apr-2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
this.
kristinized 4th-Apr-2012 09:10 pm (UTC)
Last summer I bought a huge chunk of the series off ebay ~no regrets!
grimacide 7th-Apr-2012 05:11 am (UTC)
My father just visited and dropped off a box of goosebumps books numbers 1-55. SCORE
lillylilacs 4th-Apr-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
He looks like a young Will Truman/whatever the actors name really is.
annadraper 4th-Apr-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
ia with him. i'm tired of grown ass people reading (then frantically consuming related materials) things written for middle schoolers.

Edited at 2012-04-04 03:48 am (UTC)
edas 4th-Apr-2012 03:50 am (UTC)
ia
cabernet 4th-Apr-2012 03:51 am (UTC)
ita tbh
one_hoopy_frood 4th-Apr-2012 03:52 am (UTC)
This
tiarlynn 4th-Apr-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
even if there's something of value to be found in them? or even if they're just read for the hell of it?

don't see why you should even give a shit
foureyedgirl 4th-Apr-2012 04:02 am (UTC)
this
these_eyes_lie 4th-Apr-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
mte
abiding 4th-Apr-2012 04:04 am (UTC)
mte
shining_starsxx 4th-Apr-2012 04:12 am (UTC)
This.I'm not gonna read a Russian novel all the time.
angelgurl21 4th-Apr-2012 04:14 am (UTC)
IA

Sometimes I just want something quick and easy that I can enjoy because I'm too stressed from real life
cinco_series 4th-Apr-2012 03:54 am (UTC)
NO. He's a snob and he needs to stfu.

Harry Potter is for all ages.
indignantindigo 4th-Apr-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
tbh I'm tired of amazon recommending YA fiction for me for when I've bought books like Anansi Boys and Good Omans.
soho 4th-Apr-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
What does it matter to you? A good book is a good book. I feel sorry for someone as snobby as you sound who can't enjoy a great piece of literature just because it's marketed as YA.
gpin2084 4th-Apr-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
Truth.
animalyears 4th-Apr-2012 03:58 am (UTC)
ia but maybe that's their maturity level or reading comprehension level :/
forkmeup 4th-Apr-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
same.
u_chai 4th-Apr-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
why should you care what other people read?
erin_chupacabra 4th-Apr-2012 04:00 am (UTC)
this
thesuzylee 4th-Apr-2012 04:01 am (UTC)
same
heliophyte 4th-Apr-2012 04:05 am (UTC)
I totally agree.. it affects my life in profound ways too!! Finally someone who understands!
leviicorpus 4th-Apr-2012 04:12 am (UTC)
how about you



instead?
paupiedequincey 4th-Apr-2012 04:13 am (UTC)
ITA. Its amusing that people are paying for their kids to go to college and they are reading shit written for 7th graders.

Why bother getting an higher education if your maturity and comprehension levels are the same as when you were at 13?
bush_tetra 4th-Apr-2012 04:16 am (UTC)
I agree tbh
spider_orchid 4th-Apr-2012 04:27 am (UTC)
Bullshit. Crappy books are crappy no matter who or what age group they're geared towards. There are plenty of books out there meant for adults that are still shitty. Tbh all of this is just literary snobbery and I'm NHFT.
thegirlshateher 4th-Apr-2012 04:35 am (UTC)
I have an English Literature degree. If I want to read The Hunger Games, I'll read The Hunger Games. God knows I've filled my brain with plenty of literature aimed at adults.
glowing_dragon 4th-Apr-2012 04:37 am (UTC)
Exactly.
kishmet 4th-Apr-2012 04:43 am (UTC)
Ok I'll get right on reading all of Laurell K. Hamilton's books before reading any other innovative pieces of YA fiction

Also every Harlequin romance ever published because those def aren't for kids
kimberwyn 4th-Apr-2012 05:06 am (UTC)
Sucks for you then. I think I'll go pick up a YA tomorrow.
jjj 4th-Apr-2012 05:06 am (UTC)
i'll read a YA book just to spite you then
wauwy 4th-Apr-2012 05:53 am (UTC)
ikr, they could be reading brainless trash written for forty-year-olds instead
adam_pally 4th-Apr-2012 05:56 am (UTC)
How does what someone reads affect you or whoever this Joel Stein is? I guess everyone should read and do the same thing and screw individuality.

Fuck that shit. I'll do what i want.

enid_keaner 4th-Apr-2012 06:19 am (UTC)
You're an asshole
anydoppelganger 4th-Apr-2012 07:03 am (UTC)
IA.I mean, I think it's to read YA occasionally because it is enjoyable, but if you are a grown-ass adult, you need to read something with a little more depth once in a while. The human experience does not only encompass the dramas of white teenage girls lol

I also blame Twilight for the onslaught of vampire fiction and I'm going to blame Hunger Games for the inevitable deluge of YA dystopian and/or survivalist fiction lol. THANKS BOOK PUBLISHERS!!!!

oceanhue 4th-Apr-2012 07:07 am (UTC)
cosigned!
sapphybelle 4th-Apr-2012 07:28 am (UTC)
I'm sick of trying to find an adult book that isn't

- a mother with grown children finding herself after having a midlife crisis
- chick lit where the girl is a socialite, a model, working in the modelling, magazine or film industry behind the scenes, big on shopping and cute little lunches with "the girls" or all of the above put together
- how the family pet taught the family to laugh and love again
- journeying abroad and finding oneself

etc.
aphrodite5239 4th-Apr-2012 08:38 am (UTC)
well, at least they're reading tbh
crackitycrackho 4th-Apr-2012 11:20 am (UTC)
Why do you even care? I read a mixture of YA and adult books. You find terrible books in both categories - but both also have the ability to be profound in their own ways.
k_byte 4th-Apr-2012 01:33 pm (UTC)
i kind of agree with him too, i mean, people's tastes are their own for sure but i just find YA to be too simple for me as an adult. i will occasionally pick it up as a guilty pleasure/beach read but i do get kind of disturbed at the amount of people who hold it up as ~great works of literature =/
reach_the_end 4th-Apr-2012 01:35 pm (UTC)
It's a little annoying, yeah.
velvetunicorn 4th-Apr-2012 02:51 pm (UTC)
ia. I was trying to remember if there was YA when I was in high school. I just remember everyone was reading VC Andrews and Anne Rice. There was no way I'd read something like gossip girl in high school. That kind of stuff was for middle schoolers.

It's also hard to find any book blogs written by adults that aren't YA. I don't mean like 20 year olds like some are in their 30s and talking about YA books. Like really?
theladyflash 4th-Apr-2012 03:32 pm (UTC)
EXACTLY. Like grow up..
brrylimesublime 4th-Apr-2012 03:56 pm (UTC)
Well, "Twilight" there are so many grammar and spelling errors that I don't even think teens should be reading it until an editor goes over it again. Not to even get into the fact that college professors have written papers about how it's an example of promoting abusive relationships.

"The Hunger Games," I have cautiously started reading in between reading non-fiction books like "Game Change" and "Pet Food Politics: The Chihuahua in the Coal Mine." So far though, I have to say "The Hunger Games" could be considered an actual adult book that is also acceptable for younger people. Then again, I'm not even halfway through the first book so my opinion could change. It does remind me of "The Giver" (book), "Equilibrium" (movie) and a few other things like that.

"Harry Potter" is pretty much completely out of appropriate for kids by the last book really. Its villain is based on Hitler for crying out loud. I think that series is written similar to the Disney/Pixar movies he comments on in the article. It's written so that on the surface it seems like it's for children and entertains them, but there are also much deeper adult themes and emotions going on that the child would probably not notice while it's the main story for the adult.

I'm not "stanning" for any of these and some people that are supposed to be adults are a little weird about this stuff (cough-TwiMoms-cough), but I've also seen several adults that have high up jobs and can't use proper spelling or grammar on such things as "where", "were", "their", "there", "your", "you're", "tomorrow", etc. To be honest, there's a huge issue with adults being illiterate or "under" literate in this country so as long as they are actually reading and it's a book with proper spelling and grammar examples, I don't have a problem with it.
__loss 4th-Apr-2012 06:25 pm (UTC)
I care less about adults reading YA books and more about how society things YA's need books to be dumbed down or filled with shallow entertainment. We need to stop assuming they aren't as smart as they really are.

When I was a YA I read Harry Potter but after I read the entirety of LoTR in middle school. They are both brilliant series and I enjoyed them equally.

Why are we lowering our expectations of YA's? They can enjoy adult literature and we can enjoy YA literature. There is literature in both categories that are challenging and enriching. I don't understand why we expect YA's to love 'easy reads'? We should up our expectation of all books in all groups instead of continuing to create this ridiculous divide between YA's and adults as if we're so different. They already struggle enough to find identity as it is.
rara8777 4th-Apr-2012 10:25 pm (UTC)
Fucking seriously. Harry Potter used to annoy me the most, but I think I've just come to accept that there's no arguing with the fans.
phoenix_singing 5th-Apr-2012 12:39 pm (UTC)
The fact that people actually get so worked up over what other people who are not them are reading is laughable, tbh. How aboug you read your book, I'll read mine, and you picky readers stfu about what the rest of us might like to read in my leisure time.
the_dark_side 5th-Apr-2012 10:48 pm (UTC)
Your life must be really boring and stuffy.
hawaii_bombay 4th-Apr-2012 03:47 am (UTC)
Whatevah, I'll read what I want.
eveluvden 4th-Apr-2012 05:07 am (UTC)
exactly
prophecy_grl 4th-Apr-2012 08:34 am (UTC)
A+
rainbowchelita 4th-Apr-2012 08:44 am (UTC)
exactly!

geekchicrichie 4th-Apr-2012 09:12 am (UTC)
A+++
hello_samm 4th-Apr-2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
lol irl
rinygrin 4th-Apr-2012 08:03 pm (UTC)
lmao
lovetiffani 5th-Apr-2012 03:26 am (UTC)
amethystcitrine 5th-Apr-2012 03:45 am (UTC)
hahaha <3
abiding 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
msweetie913 4th-Apr-2012 04:03 am (UTC)
this gif has me dying rn omg
ohwtf_26 4th-Apr-2012 04:20 am (UTC)
haha this is AMAZING! cannot. stop. watching.
dreamoftheday 4th-Apr-2012 09:56 am (UTC)
lol I love this gif sfm, I need to use it more often
hpxstac 4th-Apr-2012 02:56 pm (UTC)
LMAO
phoenix_singing 5th-Apr-2012 03:24 pm (UTC)
This is one of my very favorite gifs.
rubybruiseday 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
fuck that, there are some amazing YA books out there.
blckcelebrtion 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
his commentaries on those vh1 specials were always lame.
flowerssleeping 4th-Apr-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
omg james may?!

ilh
pastelstar 4th-Apr-2012 04:17 am (UTC)
ilu James!
smoore23 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
tiarlynn 4th-Apr-2012 03:55 am (UTC)
mte lucille
passions_voice 4th-Apr-2012 04:04 am (UTC)
Where is that from?
smoore23 4th-Apr-2012 04:09 am (UTC)
Arrested Development! :D
leviicorpus 4th-Apr-2012 04:13 am (UTC)
Lucille is my spirit animal.
lonely_goatherd 4th-Apr-2012 06:39 am (UTC)
A+++
fauxkaren 4th-Apr-2012 07:21 am (UTC)
Lucille is my queen.
lovely_persona 4th-Apr-2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
Jessica Walter has the best expressions, omg. But I'm sure I've said that too frequently. lol
flo 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
Or Harry Potter.

nope
daisychain_halo 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
as long as people are reading, why does it matter?

like, really...
beware_pussycat 4th-Apr-2012 04:11 am (UTC)
Exactly.
therearewords 4th-Apr-2012 12:00 pm (UTC)
Exactly.
parisdiorchanel 4th-Apr-2012 02:00 pm (UTC)
mte
uluviel 4th-Apr-2012 02:58 pm (UTC)
Reading really needs to stop being elevated to this superior way of consuming media. The medium doesn't matter, the content does. Reading isn't the "better" activity if you're reading Archie comics and listening to TED Talks.

"As long as people are reading" needs to die and be replaced by "As long as people are consuming intelligent works", which clearly doesn't apply to all books.
tiarlynn 4th-Apr-2012 03:23 pm (UTC)
can i please get a full list of these 'intelligent works' so i can make sure to budget my leisure time accordingly? it would be the worst if i accidentally wasted time on a less intelligent book just because i enjoyed it.
writinchica2k 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
Then 99.9% of adult books should stop being boring...
bellediablerie 4th-Apr-2012 04:01 am (UTC)
This. He should be complaining that Nicholas Sparks is a bestseller.
stebo 4th-Apr-2012 04:13 am (UTC)
lol
akasha6915 4th-Apr-2012 04:17 am (UTC)
ugh, equally bad as Twilight.
vonlisbon 4th-Apr-2012 04:18 am (UTC)
Duuuuuuuuuude yessssss.

I see his point and agree to a bit of it, but the best-seller adult lit today is basically no less complex than something written for a 7th grade level anyway.

Sounds like he's stanning for literature more than just "adult" books.
ohwtf_26 4th-Apr-2012 04:21 am (UTC)
haha yes to ALL of THIS
cerisexwisteria 4th-Apr-2012 05:09 am (UTC)
MTE
bienenkiste 4th-Apr-2012 04:04 am (UTC)
lol what the fuck is this comment
indelikatt 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
idk, adult fiction (these days, it seems) has idiotic smut in it, and smut is cool and all but usually when i'm reading i don't wanna read smut. that's what fanfic is for.

i get his point, though he's coming off as kind of antagonistic about it.
ms_mmelissa 4th-Apr-2012 03:57 am (UTC)
What books are you reading that have smut in them? All the books I read are pretty prudish.
shiningautumn 4th-Apr-2012 04:19 am (UTC)
who is the girl in your icon? i see her all over the place in this comm and the mystery is killing me.
dothecrunge 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
People should be able to read whatever the hell they want
ladyserenity84 4th-Apr-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
This.
whutness 4th-Apr-2012 04:51 am (UTC)
agreed.
phnix_daft_mode 4th-Apr-2012 04:58 am (UTC)
This! I can't with all these book snobs.
wall_ofillusion 4th-Apr-2012 06:16 pm (UTC)
Seriously. And I'm an English major.
hola_meg_a_cola 4th-Apr-2012 08:25 am (UTC)
Mte
aphrodite5239 4th-Apr-2012 08:42 am (UTC)
mte
and your icon
yum
anna_salem 4th-Apr-2012 02:15 pm (UTC)
a man speaks the truth
toshi_hakari 4th-Apr-2012 03:37 pm (UTC)
Shh, go away with your grown-up logic ;)
nschlongbottom 4th-Apr-2012 03:48 am (UTC)
who gives a fuck? as long as people are reading.
expromqueen 4th-Apr-2012 03:56 am (UTC)
the hundreds of grammatical errors in the twilight books would probably not aid in the fight against adult illiteracy
one_hoopy_frood 4th-Apr-2012 03:59 am (UTC)
Lmao
stebo 4th-Apr-2012 04:13 am (UTC)
A+
glowing_dragon 4th-Apr-2012 04:38 am (UTC)
So true.
deethy 4th-Apr-2012 04:42 am (UTC)
the twilight books =/= all ya lit
sodoesrachael 4th-Apr-2012 06:55 pm (UTC)
I would care more about your point if you had bothered to use basic grammar in this sentence.
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