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7:55 pm - 03/02/2012

Miley disses Jesus, Christians outraged

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Twitter may be a direct way to communicate with fan but it can also get you in hot water when you are considered a teen role model, like Miley Cyrus. The singer is getting into some scalding hot water with Christians over an image she tweeted baring quotes from a scientist.

With millions of young, impressionable followers, Cyrus tweeted what can be construed as controversial quotes from a theoretical physicist who favors science over religion. Keep in mind that Miss Miley was raised a Christian, which turns this into Christian right wing scandal.

Cyrus tweeted quotes from Lawrence Krauss, which essentially proclaim that humans are all stardust created from atoms of many stars that exploded in the universe. Well, that's at odds with Christian teachings that God created everything in his image and likeness. It's certainly a controversial theory for those with Christian beliefs. Krauss also says, "Forget Jesus, stars died so that you could live."

It's truly a polarizing series of statements for Christians and people of faith and is already causing a stir among the Christian right wing.

Why Cyrus shared these quotes and if they reflect her personal beliefs is not immediately known.

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leviicorpus 3rd-Mar-2012 02:41 am (UTC)
lol intelligent design lolololol
__likeamagazine 3rd-Mar-2012 02:45 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's not the kind of response I was looking for. I don't believe in intelligent design, but I don't think it's ~so ridiculous~ either. I'm not talking about not believing in dinosaurs and thinking the earth is 6,000 years old or whatever...I just mean acknowledging the possibility of a creator, which can in actuality never be proven or disproven.
leviicorpus 3rd-Mar-2012 02:49 am (UTC)
Except that that's not what ID is, that's just the Watchmaker analogy. Intelligent Design is the crazy fundie attempt to get religion taught in science classes.

From here via Wiki: "Intelligent design was developed by a group of American creationists who revised their argument in the creation–evolution controversy to circumvent court rulings such as the United States Supreme Court Edwards v. Aguillard ruling, which barred the teaching of 'Creation Science' in public schools as breaching the separation of church and state."
swissbeauty23 3rd-Mar-2012 03:01 am (UTC)
intelligent design, as i'm sure you know, is a fancy term for "creationism", plain and simple

it's psuedoscience that people tend to mistake for the idea itself of God/a creator or possibly merging a creator with science

however, as you know (lol), the idea of a creator generates like 100000 more unsolvable questions
leviicorpus 3rd-Mar-2012 03:16 am (UTC)
lol yes. I just don't understand how people can merge science and religion, since the two mindsets are so completely oppositional. idgi
__likeamagazine 3rd-Mar-2012 03:02 am (UTC)
I mean, the dictionary definition of it is "the theory that the universe and living things were designed and created by the purposeful action of an intelligent agent." That's all. Any political agenda associated with it is a whole other thing.

I went to a Christian school and was taught straight up creationism for a few years, so I know the difference between that and ID, which is a neutral/catch-all term for the concept of a creator.
swissbeauty23 3rd-Mar-2012 03:05 am (UTC)
ID is essentially a fancy term for creationism though

i think you might have an idea that's different from it? tbh it sounds like you have your own unique ideas

i'm curious to hear them!
__likeamagazine 3rd-Mar-2012 03:14 am (UTC)
Creationism, as I understand it, refers specifically to the Genesis story from the Christian bible. ID refers to some intelligent entity creating the universe, but doesn't necessary include that figure being a deity or having a continued presence/influence on the universe.

Just based on the comments here, this seems not to be how people generally think of the two terms. But even the simple dictionary.com definitions of them differentiate them that way.

It's semantics though, because they do get used interchangeably by most.
leviicorpus 3rd-Mar-2012 03:15 am (UTC)
Maybe in theory, but when put into practice, ID is always, always, always a thinly-veiled version of creationism.
courtkneee1 3rd-Mar-2012 02:56 am (UTC)
yeah intelligent design is something completely different even though I get what you mean.
__likeamagazine 3rd-Mar-2012 03:05 am (UTC)
It's completely different than what I described?

C/P, but this is what I just wrote to the other person:
The dictionary definition of it is "the theory that the universe and living things were designed and created by the purposeful action of an intelligent agent." That's all. Any political agenda associated with it is a whole other thing.

I went to a Christian school and was taught straight up creationism for a few years, so I know the difference between that and ID, which is a neutral/catch-all term for the concept of a creator.
courtkneee1 3rd-Mar-2012 03:25 am (UTC)
from your original comment i gathered that you meant the idea that a lot of modern christians follow- big bang was something initiated by a god and then evolution continued on from there. but iirc ID is god intervening and designing the universe so it definitely contradicts evolution.
__likeamagazine 3rd-Mar-2012 08:05 am (UTC)
Oh, no I wasn't saying that many Christians believe in God causing the big bang and evolution following or claiming that that specific ideology has a name, but I was actually trying to get my mother to believe something along those lines.

I don't think the creation story really contradicts evolution, I think it could be a huge metaphor for it. Like, "and then there was light" is raw energy and matter that became stars and planets, then the existence of water and land on earth, then sea creatures, then land animals, then humans. If the "seven days" and some of the other details aren't taken literally, that's basically how evolution says things happened. I mean, I personally just don't think the two stories are at odds and I wish more people felt that way so that faith didn't so often have to go hand in hand with blind ignorance.
swissbeauty23 3rd-Mar-2012 02:59 am (UTC)
i don't think the idea/concept of a creator is out of the question or ridiculous

but ~believing in a creator, not simply considering the possibilities, and subscribing to creationism (which goes *far* beyond the idea of a creator) creates a skew of problems that contradict each other


Edited at 2012-03-03 02:59 am (UTC)
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