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I'm grateful to have "missed" this post tbh because some of the craaaaazy shit in here is making me ill.

This post added nothing. Why do the mods keep accepting deliberate wank posts? Thanks for making ONTD so fun :/

what did i miss?!!!!!!!!!

lol wat? hahah i was just asking what i missed, lolol sorry bb

Can we just accept that these were racist acts and move on? It's not like ONTD comments have the power to move social injustice mountains.

Out of all the videos Taeyang's shouldn't be included, it's a hairstyle. I've seen every kind of person try to rock this look. If the stylist picked it because they thought it'd match up with his homeboy image then it's on the stylist. It's not copyrighted just like black women straightening their hair. IT'S A STYLE.

how bad is it that i didn't even read the post b/c i'm too scared to
i literally just saw title/pic/first few comments

i don't want to have my feelings hurt tonight

i only went back two pages and lawd this is a mess.

once again, i'm gonna take a wild guess that the people who are defending this are white. you guys are too easy.

Please bless these ignorant motherfuckers

why am I always late to these posts?!

Went back as far as page 15. Fuck this shit. I can't...

I worked in Skorea for 2 years.
Koreans are...fundamentally racist.
And I work with people 20-30 years old age range.
A lot of them think that African are like..animals, sub-human?...and that the Korean race is fucking God-sent.
If you're black, Korean will STARE the motherfucker out of you until you bleeed. Especially on the train. The kids...horrible creatures. They say some of the most RACIST things I've ever heard in my life.

They hate Chinese and Japanese too. Also, they think Vietnamese and Thai people are "beneath Korean"

High sense of nationalism...zero sense of understanding or even..like education.

There are nice people out there in SKorea though. I know 3 :)

Yup, I'm not kidding. ANYONE who have lived in Skorea would probably say the same thing.

a lot of bad asian history. china, japan, and korea used to go at it a lot. japan basically tore korea a new one during wwii iirc.

all asians basically think their country is the best, then white ppl, then maybe other light-skinned asians, then everyone who's dark-skinned is at the bottom. call it extreme nationalism or whatever but it's true and not an exaggeration at all. a lot of asian countries feel the need to remind their citizens over and over about how great their country is, until it sinks in. it's basically like how american kids are raised to think that the us controls the world and has the power to do anything to another country. plus koreans and chinese ppl are still waiting for apologies from the japanese for world war ii and a whole bunch of other fuckery, which the japanese like to gloss over / remove from their textbooks / lie about. meanwhile the japanese feel persecuted / don't give a shit. and of course, south koreans hate communism.

I thought Koreans were obsessed with Japanese culture...
I didn't know they hated us lol

long, longggg history
but Koreans and Chinese people absolutely hate the Japanese for their various war crimes and for denying their war crimes or not apologizing for them.
There's alot of bad blood.

Koreans and Chinese have a difficult history too because Korea used to be a part of China.

lol @ people making notes. you should make the following notes about me:

nothing he said was to be taken seriously. if OP wanted to be taken seriously she wouldn't present it in such a way. this post is NOT a discussion; this is a hot mess of people taking sides or not taking sides and people trolling and people saying shit that makes sense and then there's fucktards saying shit that don't make sense and there's also people hatin' on Korea/Koreans/K-pop for no goddamn reasons while others support it blindly and...

...basically a hot mess, yep. :]

I'll say this - I think we should spend more time educating people against stereotyping and calling it out when it happens, no matter where it takes place. Being able to dispel these hurtful attributions is more important than taking on separatist claims that drive a wedge between being able to understand other cultures for what they are. We need to build bridges across our societies and not alienate them.

And it would be appreciated for some not to paint a wide brush over the matter by describing an entire brand of music as being representative of hatred. It doesn't work that way. The problem isn't the music or one's love for it, it's the social attitude/climate, and that's what should be addressed/changed so people can understand that representations/demonstrations like this DO hurt, and they cut deep.

I wish I could write it more eloquently, but it's 3 AM and there was so much in this post that was so disconcerting that I'll admit it got under my skin. I'm just going to say that I like the music I like, including Jpop and Kpop, and I'm perfectly happy with that while recognizing that the flaws that exist. But I would like to address those issues directly and elucidate rather than trying to create some half-assed agenda that completely misses the mark on the real problem.

Nah, bb. I'm saying that Blackface is part of a larger cultural problem that exists, and it needs to be addressed directly. I was maintaining that I don't think people who listen to Kpop are racist, and I don't think liking Kpop is racist or that all of the Kpop community is racist. The OP threw shade pretty much saying all of the K-music community is like this, and I honestly don't think it is.

I'm a Black, Cherokee, Seminole and Irish woman who loves Asian music. I have an appreciation of music of all languages and cultures. I love Korean groups like Clazziquai Project, Fly to the Sky, Loveholic, Epik High, and individual artists like Lee Soo Young, so I was upset on two levels reading this post - 1. The Blackface portrayal, which still freakin' floors me and having grown up in a mess of racial stereotypes, I can't even begin to put in words how much it pisses me off. 2. Being called racist for liking one of my favorite subgenres of music, when the real issue goes beyond far the Kpop community and needs addressing because of a wide range of cultural stereotyping and the racial divide. I'm definitely not encouraging people to turn a blind eye to this, but to speak out about it and say why it's offensive.

This is a pretty shit post because it's directly pitting one group against another in a way that encourages hatred and prejudicial attitudes. I'm not going to lie - I hate that the Blackface portrayal goes on overseas in any measure - whether it is in Korea, Japan, other Asian countries or even European countires or anywhere else. It's wrong. But I'm recognizing it as a larger problem and I'm saying educating people about why it's wrong is a far better option than throwing shade at another racial group or subgroup entirely, which is what this post did.

If that's unclear, I can clarify, but it wasn't my intention to ignore who's hurt by this kind of portrayal, because it sure as hell hurt me - and on more than one level.

Edited at 2012-03-01 04:39 pm (UTC)

I just read every page of this post and I am truly floored on so many levels. Wow.