Kathy Griffin can't believe that she keeps getting invited back by CNN to torture Anderson Cooper in Times Square as the network counts down to the New Year. But it's not just Kathy who is surprised, so is comedian Sandra Bernhard.
"I've never been a fan of Kathy Griffin -- you know that," Bernhard tells me on my HDNet talk show "Naughty But Nice With Rob." "Every time she sees me, she hides. If I saw her, I would tell her to find a new angle. Just to say someone is stupid, that's not crafting an idea. I think things through. I absorb culture and put it out in layers."
Yet, surprisingly, Bernhard does admit she is fascinated by the Kardashians -- the bread and butter of Griffin's comedy.
"You know what's funny, I was standing outside the Gansevoort Park Hotel looking at the sky and thinking the Kardashians live here," Bernhard says. "I mean, what do they do when they are with a man? Do they just sit there and say, 'I think you're so hot?' Do they touch them? Do they go straight for the genitals? Is it really that sexual? Do they just do that for TV? At the end of the day they just plug them in to recharge them. And then they wake up in the morning and go 'ah!'"