ONTD

7:08 pm - 12/12/2011

oh no you didn't, oh no they didn't!


ONTD is under threat by FemPop! The original article is reproduced below but I also provided a properly sourced link back to original article so that everyone can return to the site and appreciate the work of the original author!

This morning, I woke up with a few emails from one of the writers at FemPop. An article she wrote was linked to on Jezebel. Cause for celebration, right? We’re a small, feminist-oriented website and who wouldn’t want a link from the grand pooba of feminism online? Only the link, instead of taking you to FemPop, took you to ONTD, where the writer’s name was removed, there was no mention of FemPop, and the only note that it didn’t originate at ONTD were three small x’s with a link back to the original article.



Of course Jezebel didn’t link to FemPop. The contributor at ONTD went out of his/her way to hide the origin of the piece! I contacted Jessica Coen at Jezebel and she was very gracious and kind. She fixed the problem and we shook hands virtually over the internet. Disaster averted, and thank you Jessica for reminding me that the “p” word was a very strong word and not appropriate in the case of what happened with Jezebel! You’re awesome!

Then I contacted ONTD, because they reprinted our article without permission and didn’t acknowledge the original author. It was something so dangerously close to the “p” word that I may have used it a few times.



ONTD promptly deleted the article and all 200+ comments. Well, that’s one way to deal with this problem, but it wasn’t the way I preferred. I would rather have a proper link back and acknowledgement, you know? So I contacted ONTD on Twitter to see if they could make some note about what happened, or, at the very least, deal with the contributor who essentially stole our material.

ONTD first refused, because the article no longer existed. Then they claimed “no one saw it,” despite being up for three days, being linked by Jezebel and having over 200 comments.

I kept downgrading my request, until all I asked was that the contributor be reprimanded so what happened to us wouldn’t happen to other small blogs.

“We’re not punishing members.”

Any further requests for a dialogue so we could seek a solution that would save ONTD face, and make the editorial staff at FemPop happy, were shut down when ONTD deleted our entire Twitter conversation and linked us to Livejournal’s DMCA.

Thankfully, I use YoruFukurou, and the whole conversation was still available to me. So now you can read it, too! It goes bottom-to-top and left-to-right per each photo. [OP note: click for the bigger size]




Writing this whole article, I’ve found myself questioning things. FemPop is gearing up for a big announcement and this issue comes at the worst possible moment. So should I even pen this article? Is it appropriate?

Moreover, I’m a lady and a businesswoman and the number one rule for women in business is to let sleeping dogs lie. To quietly allow things like this to happen because raising a fuss–fighting back–is inappropriate. Now, I may be labeled a shrew or an attention whore or any other number of misogynistic and irritating epithets, but folks, we strive to be ethical at FemPop. That means we don’t write about some things even though it will give us hits. We always provide links, even though it will harm our “bounce rate.” We sacrifice success for ethics.

What ONTD did was unethical in every way possible. They perpetuated a very bad model where big sites steal from little sites and tell us to be grateful that eyeballs even see our words. Their reaction was so condescending, unethical and downright nasty that we’ve now made it our policy not to use ONTD as a news source. We encourage other sites who value artists and believe credit is always deserved to stop using ONTD as well.

To comment on how damaging practices like this are to writers, here’s Rebecca Jane:
So, earlier this month, I wrote this article.

The title’s a bit incendiary, but the piece itself is a critical reflection on Diablo Cody’s career.

Today I was catching up on my blogs, and noticed a Jezebel link, directing folks to link.

I went a bit bananas and fired off a couple of emails and tweets and status updates about my work having been stolen, which I then retracted…because they did link to my article, you know, the one they just posted in full, at the bottom of the page…let me know when you find it.

On FemPop.com, my article received 0 comments.

On ONTD, it received well over 200.

I’m going to be a bit more real than I typically am on Facebook (famous. last. words.). I work my ass off on every piece of ephemera that I put out on the internet. I know there are times when I must be the Facebook friend you remove from your feed, due to my love of spamming the hell out of you with all of my links, but the truth is, if I wasn’t writing as much as I was, as frantically as I do, I’m not quite sure what I’d do with myself.

See, it’s all towards the end of making this writing thing a paid deal. Because, after fourteen years, I’ve hit the roof, in terms of my tolerance for quite literally answering a phone for eight hours every day. I put the amount out on the web that I do because I want it to be seen, and I want to be hired.

In the US today, with unemployment being de rigeur, I feel like an asshole bemoaning my job, because I should be lucky to have one. Unfortunately, most of the time I don’t feel lucky. I feel really, really unhappy. I feel like maybe I’ve made bad, poor, wrong choices, and that’s why I’m 28 working a job that could not be more in opposition with what I set out to do with my life.

It’s the writing I do – good bad and ugly – that gives me a sense of purpose and a feeling that, no matter how hard things get, (and at present they are pretty rough) I’ve picked the right path: Write or die.

That’s why, when a site takes my work and does the bare minimum necessary to keep me from flinging the words “Plagiarism” off at them, it only serves to heighten that feeling of being silenced – because when do you something like this, that’s what you’re doing.

Hug a writer in your life. They mostly need hugs.



Cranz, Alex. "ONTD Misrepresents and Then Covers It Up." Weblog post. FemPop: Pop Culture Through a Feminist Lens. Web. 12 Dec 2011. <http://www.fempop.com/2011/12/12/ontd-misrepresents-and-then-covers-it-up/> <--- ORIGINAL SOURCE!!!!!!!
brenden 13th-Dec-2011 12:10 am (UTC)
LOL YOUR SOURCE FORMAT.
kuhori_rei 13th-Dec-2011 12:20 am (UTC)
THIS OMFG. Getting all MLA up in here.
prettysighs 13th-Dec-2011 12:47 am (UTC)
lmfao yas
screwhim 13th-Dec-2011 01:21 am (UTC)
hahaha yesss fucking brilliant
innocentanalyst 13th-Dec-2011 02:58 am (UTC)
lol was the op being a smart ass with the MLA style? Either way.. brilliant.
cabernet 13th-Dec-2011 03:04 am (UTC)
lol fuck
muzik_love 13th-Dec-2011 03:30 am (UTC)
omg. genius! lol this post needs to nominated for the year end epic post thing.
sweet_honesty 13th-Dec-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
It made me giggle
hershelwalker 13th-Dec-2011 12:25 am (UTC)
so dead
georgie_georgie 13th-Dec-2011 12:31 am (UTC)
I love it. haha
deethy 13th-Dec-2011 12:32 am (UTC)
cackling rn
milkradio 13th-Dec-2011 12:38 am (UTC)
IKR i'm dying
revelried 13th-Dec-2011 12:38 am (UTC)
ikr Chicago would have been a better choice
loveackshuly 13th-Dec-2011 12:43 am (UTC)
lmao
sergeant_duckie 13th-Dec-2011 12:45 am (UTC)
omg mte
bradentastic 13th-Dec-2011 12:47 am (UTC)
I'M DEAD
velvetunicorn 13th-Dec-2011 12:47 am (UTC)
It's a beautiful thing.
revertigo 13th-Dec-2011 12:50 am (UTC)
ugh disappointed in you
alessar 13th-Dec-2011 12:57 am (UTC)
We should CITE everything for the next week. Just because.
adorealire 13th-Dec-2011 01:07 am (UTC)
LMAO, LOVE IT
mikachanyo 13th-Dec-2011 01:08 am (UTC)
omfg this is hilarious.
djan31 13th-Dec-2011 01:09 am (UTC)
Dead and buried.
londonactually 13th-Dec-2011 01:13 am (UTC)
the english major within me approves.
yeahwell_britt 13th-Dec-2011 02:02 am (UTC)
this is hilarious to me since i just turned in a paper myself
rolt_me 13th-Dec-2011 02:34 am (UTC)
ikr. i was like 'some srs shit going up in here'
in_styles 13th-Dec-2011 03:18 am (UTC)
ikr LMAO
danibel 13th-Dec-2011 03:23 am (UTC)
omg I died
hungthem00n 13th-Dec-2011 03:44 am (UTC)
ikr DEAD @ MLA
hungthem00n 13th-Dec-2011 03:46 am (UTC)
also, god brenden WHY ARE YOU SUCH A TROLL
wauwy 13th-Dec-2011 08:57 am (UTC)
NOMINATING THIS POST FOR POST OF THE YEAR RN
tigermilk 13th-Dec-2011 06:33 pm (UTC)
OMFG the MLA formatting is SO BEAUTIFUL and the best part of this post.
watermeloncholy 13th-Dec-2011 10:11 pm (UTC)
ia lol
brosling 13th-Dec-2011 12:10 am (UTC)
dying @ the citation
brosling 13th-Dec-2011 12:10 am (UTC)
#freelikegunfire
therealycats 13th-Dec-2011 04:05 am (UTC)
We are the Unicorner, tbh.
emofordino 13th-Dec-2011 02:36 pm (UTC)
omg love this reference so much. SVH 4L!!!
wapiko 13th-Dec-2011 05:53 pm (UTC)
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH LOVE

I totally had a good 10 books of The Unicorn Club when I was younger.
aleronihead 13th-Dec-2011 08:43 pm (UTC)
yesssssss
nuclearsex 13th-Dec-2011 12:11 am (UTC)
COME AT US, BRO. COME AT US!
spoiled_water 13th-Dec-2011 12:14 am (UTC)
lmao
guzzlemuzzle 13th-Dec-2011 12:18 am (UTC)
LMAO
luvthatdrtywata 13th-Dec-2011 12:25 am (UTC)
it's like these people never learn...
poison_sin 13th-Dec-2011 12:35 am (UTC)
LOL MFTE!!!
ch33rylips 13th-Dec-2011 01:10 am (UTC)
She must be brand new to the internets real fucks will not be given.
fwee_prower 13th-Dec-2011 02:33 am (UTC)
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kate_isgreat 13th-Dec-2011 07:39 am (UTC)
THIS SFM
whimsical_tale 13th-Dec-2011 02:40 am (UTC)
LOL
goldenmeans The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:11 am (UTC)
...Pizza? Pustule? Plaza? Hmm...
lolbye Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:13 am (UTC)
I'm thinking it's party
lucky_latkes Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:14 am (UTC)
Pathetic, as in Alex Cranz is pathetic
muip Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
Of course!! solved tbh
_clubsandwiches Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:14 am (UTC)
piranha
hobnailedboots Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:16 am (UTC)
PENIS
sweet_honesty Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:16 am (UTC)
penis
alienclit Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:16 am (UTC)
Poon Tang
desirehis_heart Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:16 am (UTC)
patriarchy?
kangofu Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:17 am (UTC)
Patty-cake?

theflyingbeet Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:19 am (UTC)
pudenda
wits Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:19 am (UTC)
Pop tarts
destructo_ray Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:20 am (UTC)
Poppycock!
alienclit Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:20 am (UTC)
Pagan
tx5mym5 Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
Pussy or Panties

Seriously, why do so many people dislike the word panties?
miharu Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:23 am (UTC)
Potato.

mlepetitesalope Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:23 am (UTC)
Pancakes.
luvthatdrtywata Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:26 am (UTC)
puppy?
carriehunt Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:27 am (UTC)
praetorian
this_wheel Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:28 am (UTC)
Puta.
speedychi Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:29 am (UTC)
phuck
onaan Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:30 am (UTC)
Penmanship obvs.
yummyhead2toe Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:30 am (UTC)
plagiarism.
ilovestarburst Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:34 am (UTC)
Punani of course!
bbbitchface Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:34 am (UTC)
punani
milkradio Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:39 am (UTC)
prehistoric
ebenetwo Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:41 am (UTC)
PRESSED as fuck
toxic_illusion Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:43 am (UTC)
Pussay
miuratenshi Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 12:58 am (UTC)
LOL this thread.
hazel_belle Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:01 am (UTC)
PICA
PENGUINS
PEPPERONY
PLATYPUS
POPPERIFIC
preflyer Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:08 am (UTC)
precarity
marmar627 Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:16 am (UTC)
precum
gerrycurls Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:21 am (UTC)
it's parmagiana
victory_goddess Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:31 am (UTC)
PARTY POST
pastelstar Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:38 am (UTC)
PEDOPHILIA??????
deadendqueen16 Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:38 am (UTC)
Pterodactyl!
emmapcz Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:42 am (UTC)
poop
aphrodite5239 Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 01:54 am (UTC)
PUDENDA
whimsical_tale Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 02:48 am (UTC)
PIZDA
sviibwhapp Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Pitsie
lalameanslove Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 03:10 am (UTC)
PUTA
junemeaugust Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 03:17 am (UTC)
popo zao
volare Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 03:30 am (UTC)
Prognosticating?

Porphyria?

Philistines?

POP OFF SON!
chantonii Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 03:34 am (UTC)
Pretty much every p word has been done in this thread. Poo.
_tantalizing_ Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 03:37 am (UTC)
PANTIES
songsnotbombs Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 03:59 am (UTC)
PUAKENIKENI
klmnumbers Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 04:05 am (UTC)
pederasty
kapuki234 Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 05:16 am (UTC)
poop
floetcist Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 05:50 am (UTC)
PootieTang
lloydsgurl Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 05:55 am (UTC)
pterodactyl
shania_cares Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 06:11 am (UTC)
It's Prilosec OTC, for sure:
xsnickerzzx Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 06:54 am (UTC)
this thread is ridic
silentxstrom Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 07:11 pm (UTC)
puta
sunshineguinn Re: The "P" word13th-Dec-2011 08:30 pm (UTC)
Pangaea!

Only thing that came to mind I didn't see on here yet... I just want to be part of the magic, okay?! ;)
threeatatimejay Re: The "P" word14th-Dec-2011 12:24 am (UTC)
Picasso painting?
jamimo 13th-Dec-2011 12:11 am (UTC)
omg did Christmas come early this year?

two posts about ontd in one day. I love it.
mv75 13th-Dec-2011 12:13 am (UTC)
ikr this is perfect
hershelwalker 13th-Dec-2011 12:25 am (UTC)
there's another one?!
luvthatdrtywata 13th-Dec-2011 12:26 am (UTC)
we're more famous than most of the people we post about! JK.
schexyschteve 13th-Dec-2011 12:30 am (UTC)
What's the other one?!
drunkagron 13th-Dec-2011 12:39 am (UTC)
people love us <3
lolbye 13th-Dec-2011 12:11 am (UTC)
I hope you sourced this adequately enough :/
nobodynomore 13th-Dec-2011 12:12 am (UTC)
I love the proper citation at the bottom.
kapuki234 13th-Dec-2011 12:12 am (UTC)
so basically ontd gets shit for jezebel's error. then ontd lies. then fempop is pressed.

ok.
destructo_ray 13th-Dec-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
Pretty much. So stupid.
squeakysneaks 13th-Dec-2011 12:42 am (UTC)
Thanks for the summary.

I can't be bothered to read all of this.
corienc 13th-Dec-2011 01:01 am (UTC)
I was so confused reading that. Probably cause I was skipping around.. so I appreciate the summary also lol.
josethebean 13th-Dec-2011 02:19 am (UTC)
this is absurd. the website with the article is referenced. that is what was being referenced. wtfff


this is why diablo cody should be ignored. it causes stupid drama
appelwagon 13th-Dec-2011 11:33 pm (UTC)
omgomgomgomg ur icon
forcestrong 13th-Dec-2011 02:39 am (UTC)
ONTD didn't lie. The tweet says the post was gone before anyone saw it. They aren't talking about anyone ever. They are talking about anyone on the mod staff who could have taken any steps to rectify the problem. The FemPop writer herself acknowledges that the user who posted the article deleted the whole thing after FemPopWriter left a comment to complain.

None of the mods had a chance to even see what FemPopWriter was complaining about because the URL was already dead by the time FemPopWriter contacted them.
javamonster983 13th-Dec-2011 12:12 am (UTC)
LOL. YES.
daianara 13th-Dec-2011 12:13 am (UTC)
ok but what is the p word?
brosling 13th-Dec-2011 12:14 am (UTC)
puta
andres01234 13th-Dec-2011 12:20 am (UTC)
lmao
this_wheel 13th-Dec-2011 12:28 am (UTC)
ahaha comment twins.
lalameanslove 13th-Dec-2011 03:11 am (UTC)
mte
sleepysongbird 13th-Dec-2011 11:25 am (UTC)
lol
flo 13th-Dec-2011 12:14 am (UTC)
poon
mirlos 13th-Dec-2011 12:14 am (UTC)
penis
morganzola 13th-Dec-2011 12:14 am (UTC)
Plagiarism, I'm guessing.
morganzola 13th-Dec-2011 12:15 am (UTC)
No wait I mean pussy.

>_>;;
rivadavia 13th-Dec-2011 12:15 am (UTC)
pussy
maelstromonster 13th-Dec-2011 12:15 am (UTC)
punani
dancedallnight 13th-Dec-2011 12:16 am (UTC)
pinche
javamonster983 13th-Dec-2011 12:17 am (UTC)
pizza
devochkazhenya 13th-Dec-2011 12:20 am (UTC)
pistachio
yunaresuka 13th-Dec-2011 12:21 am (UTC)
Patagonia
fallendaydreams 13th-Dec-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
parsley
evett 13th-Dec-2011 12:22 am (UTC)
Whoopi's pudenda
tx5mym5 13th-Dec-2011 12:23 am (UTC)
panties
destructo_ray 13th-Dec-2011 12:24 am (UTC)
Philistine.
hershelwalker 13th-Dec-2011 12:26 am (UTC)
2 of these threads on the first page is not enough tbh
the_wolski 13th-Dec-2011 12:29 am (UTC)
phylicia rashad
kimmy_kun 13th-Dec-2011 12:31 am (UTC)
Pendejo
kingsmere 13th-Dec-2011 12:31 am (UTC)
PUDENDA
onaan 13th-Dec-2011 12:31 am (UTC)
Pressed
yummyhead2toe 13th-Dec-2011 12:32 am (UTC)
Phallic.
solestella 13th-Dec-2011 12:36 am (UTC)
papazao
prettysighs 13th-Dec-2011 12:49 am (UTC)
potpourri
fruitchews 13th-Dec-2011 12:59 am (UTC)
peppy
corienc 13th-Dec-2011 01:04 am (UTC)
phymosis
invisible_cunt 13th-Dec-2011 01:05 am (UTC)
prolapse
djan31 13th-Dec-2011 01:17 am (UTC)
pobrecita :(
sviibwhapp 13th-Dec-2011 02:54 am (UTC)
Pitsie
_tantalizing_ 13th-Dec-2011 03:38 am (UTC)
PANTIES
freeze_i_say 13th-Dec-2011 02:37 pm (UTC)
psoriasis
lanuitdete 13th-Dec-2011 12:13 am (UTC)
FINALLY
randomtasks 13th-Dec-2011 12:13 am (UTC)
DEAD AT THE SOURCE FORMAT
maelstromonster 13th-Dec-2011 12:13 am (UTC)
LOLLLLLOLOL
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