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12:41 am - 11/02/2011

Does Donald Glover's Rap Career Have a Woman Problem?



My friend Gene Demby, the managing editor of Huffington Post’s Black Voices channel, tweeted yesterday, “Is it just me, or does the misogyny in Childish Gambino’s music seem especially pronounced?” I’d stayed away from the music by Donald Glover mostly because my friends who had seen him live hadn’t loved him. And I’d be curious to know whether Glover really believes the things he says about women as Childish Gambino, a persona he seems to use to displace the rage inspired by his treatment by other men onto women, who show up in his songs as hipster groupies, gold diggers, and almost nothing else in between.

Where’s “Freaks and Geeks,” in which, in a seeming show of contradicting the song’s title, Glover declares, among other things that he’ll “Fuck a bitch to pass the time,” describes a friend “He’s coming on her face / now that’s poetry and motion,” and notes that “Green in your wallet is that pussy Open Sesame”:


Apparently, the point of recounting this narrative is to demonstrate his heterosexuality in the face of opposition: “They just call me ‘faggot’ ’cause they closeted,” Glover declares at one point. It’s a theme that reoccurs in “Be Alone” when Glover bitterly ruminates on “Like when these niggers call me faggot and we homies now / We are not homies, I just keep you around”



Then, there’s the charming “Bitch, Look at Me Now,” which includes the line “That female dog is blind / Bitch look at me now”:



In that same song, Glover enumerates another grievance against his rivals, and potential past tormenters, saying, “You started rapping when you wasn’t good at basketball / I started rapping because I needed Adderall.” It’s not enough to know you’re smarter or to enjoy the fruits of that success: past inequalities have to be rectified, insult for insult.

And the idea that women are objects (“See all this pussy, Imma fuck it all.”), solely interested in the contents of a man’s wallet (“I used to like these bitches, but couldn’t afford to get them.”), or to blame for Glover’s simmering anger (“I used to be a sweet dude / Now I’m so angry / Look at what these girls and these fake niggers made me.”) is all over “Fuck It All”:



This weird, toxic outlook on women struck me as reminiscent of the news that Odd Future has decided, either as a result of their celebrity, or as a way to up their notoriety, that they’re cool with physically attacking photographers, throwing water at and kicking the cameras of male photographers, and slapping a female freelancer so hard she was knocked down. And it also reminded me a bit of our conversation about pop culture geeks who feel a combination of resentment and entitlement towards women. I don’t really think that most geeky guys think this way, but it’s frustrating when someone like Glover comes along and projects that cocktail of emotions so strongly — especially when Glover’s someone who’s won all sorts of sweet-guy geek cred for his work on Community.

There’s a real incoherence to this kind of behavior and thinking. No woman owes any man anything. There is not a system of romantic reparations where a man is entitled to a certain amount of sex and (not to mention) romantic attachment. Insisting that women consist solely of their genitals and that women are powered solely by an attraction to money is both incoherent, and the kind of thinking that, if you project it, is unlikely to make you seem like someone women would actually want to date. Ditto for demeaning or physically assaulting women, behavior that may, in the imaginary value system Childish Gambino is laying out, prove something to your boys, but is unlikely to help you hold on to a steady girlfriend. And Odd Future, which is more extreme, but frankly, not that far away on the continuum from Childish Gambino’s nonsense appears to have missed the point: acting wildly antisocially is generally only effective and charming long-term if you’re demonstrating a genuine injustice or ridiculous in societal norms. Assaulting the people who help you make a living by hyping your legend only demonstrates your privilege. Hating women doesn’t make you brave.

UPDATE: A lot of people seem to think that I’m saying that misogynistic lyrics are equivalent to actual assault on women. Obviously, I don’t believe that. I do believe that casual misogyny in art and culture lowers the barrier to assault on women by removing the social stigma against treating women like objects, or as people who others have the right to put in their places.

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hangthemj 2nd-Nov-2011 07:40 am (UTC)
i love him on community but his rap voice i find terribly annoying tbh
andres01234 2nd-Nov-2011 01:41 pm (UTC)
I hate him on Community and I also find his rap voice annoying
filmfreakfranco 2nd-Nov-2011 07:41 am (UTC)
I don't get what people see in him.
jackiemust_die 2nd-Nov-2011 08:27 am (UTC)
ikr
screwhim 2nd-Nov-2011 11:38 am (UTC)
mte
pistol_eyes 2nd-Nov-2011 02:13 pm (UTC)
mte
silentxstrom 2nd-Nov-2011 04:01 pm (UTC)
ia
blackwidow 2nd-Nov-2011 07:41 am (UTC)
I'm just going to sit here and let this post simmer.
comalies 2nd-Nov-2011 08:14 am (UTC)
You're the reason ontd can't have mature discussions about race!!11
blackwidow 2nd-Nov-2011 08:15 am (UTC)
Apparently I am.
itscomicrelief 2nd-Nov-2011 07:41 am (UTC)
violue 2nd-Nov-2011 07:43 am (UTC)
this is the first I'm hearing about a rap career
mrskulash 2nd-Nov-2011 03:34 pm (UTC)
IKR i thought it was like a funny rap or something
kurtvonnegut 2nd-Nov-2011 07:47 am (UTC)
men are so pressed tbh
starbucks_patch 2nd-Nov-2011 08:55 pm (UTC)
it sure does seem that way, doesn't it?
alacrities 2nd-Nov-2011 07:48 am (UTC)
fuck this guy. he's say gross stuff all of the time.

"I guess for a dude it’s never gonna be totally awful. You can’t really get raped unless it’s by a dude. If a girl forces sex on you it’s like, yeah, it was awful…but I had sex! I wasn’t in the mood…but I was hard."
alacrities 2nd-Nov-2011 07:50 am (UTC)
*he says
_snarla 2nd-Nov-2011 07:52 am (UTC)
ugh, that's so dumb. did he say this in an interview or in his comedy? it's fucking stupid and gross either way, just wondering because that as a joke concept is hacky and overdone as is.
______glory 2nd-Nov-2011 07:58 am (UTC)
waaaaaaaaat
washyadjeffy 2nd-Nov-2011 07:59 am (UTC)
Aw what....ugh that's so gross.
fauxkaren 2nd-Nov-2011 08:09 am (UTC)
This is kind of ruining Troy for me. :(
tea_party89 2nd-Nov-2011 08:19 am (UTC)
smh
lovejoydiver 2nd-Nov-2011 02:06 pm (UTC)
not to mention bro rape.....
quiet_storm 2nd-Nov-2011 02:19 pm (UTC)
Wow. That's really disgusting.
aleisha_xo 2nd-Nov-2011 02:28 pm (UTC)
wut?
silentxstrom 2nd-Nov-2011 04:02 pm (UTC)
really?! how disgusting.
betelgeuse 2nd-Nov-2011 05:09 pm (UTC)
Yeah, he has said a ton of stupid shit.
jpeace 2nd-Nov-2011 07:48 am (UTC)
Those who were not even born in the 90s are doomed to repeat it.
shake_it_out 2nd-Nov-2011 03:13 pm (UTC)
...do you think Donald Glover is 11?
jpeace 2nd-Nov-2011 03:30 pm (UTC)
I mean that the debate over the depiction of women in music has been going on long before any of us were even alive. And after a tsunami of deeply and bitterly misogynistic works coming and going for a generation without any real criticism, targeting the side work of a pussy-obsessed comedian who does a sitcom is an odd choice.

Meanwhile two posts down, the hot new -it- group has released a video about chucking a comatose drug-wrecked girlfriend out of a car. Eh.
buttercup31 2nd-Nov-2011 07:50 am (UTC)
I heard some of his stuff on the radio this morning. Freaking terrible and all of the lyrics God awful. I don't know why he couldn't just be happy with the hit TV show and stand up career.
_snarla 2nd-Nov-2011 07:50 am (UTC)
well i'm all about calling out misogyny but this article chose really dumb examples. "Then, there’s the charming 'Bitch, Look at Me Now,' which includes the line 'That female dog is blind / Bitch look at me now'" ...that's a pun? about dogs? and how "bitch" means "female dog"?

i like childish gambino a lot, and have been a little let down by all the "fuck a girl's pussy bright red like snapper" stuff, but comparing his lyrics' "value system" to odd future's is a HUGE fucking stretch if you spend any time actually listening to either's music.
kurtvonnegut 2nd-Nov-2011 07:53 am (UTC)
wtf is he 5? it's like in elementary when boys would say "bitch" and then tell you it's not a bad word because it means female dog
_snarla 2nd-Nov-2011 07:55 am (UTC)
haha i'm not saying it's a particularly good line! just that he has way worse stuff in his lyrics to mention than that line in that song.
cherriesjubilei 2nd-Nov-2011 07:51 am (UTC)
I put my name into that Wu Tang name generator and I got Big Gay Mule, with my middle name added I got Temporarily Spastic.
kvetch_kvetch 2nd-Nov-2011 02:31 pm (UTC)
i got womanly panther and then embryonic crusadah


i don't know, wu
mrskulash 2nd-Nov-2011 03:36 pm (UTC)
i got womanly panther too. i thought i was special
alfredhitchcock 2nd-Nov-2011 07:52 am (UTC)
i don't get his whole schtick about girls who weren't into him before suddenly being into him now. like, if women weren't into you before it wasn't 'cause you were an unknown and poor but probably because you have an ugly fucking personality, bragging about women being into you for your celebrity doesn't make it any better
kurtvonnegut 2nd-Nov-2011 07:54 am (UTC)
lol it's like a more extreme version of nice guy syndrome
deceitful 2nd-Nov-2011 08:15 am (UTC)
pretty much
rivadavia 2nd-Nov-2011 08:34 am (UTC)
Nice Guy™ revenge syndrome
redcliches 2nd-Nov-2011 03:20 pm (UTC)
mte
riookierin 2nd-Nov-2011 02:47 pm (UTC)
LOL THIS.
pivotandsway 2nd-Nov-2011 09:16 am (UTC)
ia except I don't like troy as much after he pretended he got molested or w/e
delleve 2nd-Nov-2011 07:56 am (UTC)
His music's sexist as fuck (but you'd be pressed to find many male rappers who aren't), but I still shamelessly know every goddamn word to Freaks and Geeks. I'm really disappointed that he is so sexist, though, because he can be really genuinely creative and funny. But then he throws in another rape joke and smh.
rorymariano 2nd-Nov-2011 02:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah the list of sexist rappers can go on and on. I don't know much about his music but what I'd like to know is if he's serious or parodying. Cause I always thought his rap career was for shits and giggles.
laurie_springs 2nd-Nov-2011 04:44 pm (UTC)
It was but then he had a very popular mixtape and all kinds of lines were blurred after that.
stilettoxmafia 2nd-Nov-2011 07:58 am (UTC)
The more I hear of Childish Gambino, the more it spoils the character he plays on Community.
marmar627 2nd-Nov-2011 09:46 am (UTC)
mte
ohifonly_x 2nd-Nov-2011 01:05 pm (UTC)
Meh. I keep them all entirely separate - Troy, Donald Glover, and Childish. And Troy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
treebraids 2nd-Nov-2011 01:44 pm (UTC)
I agree, I listen to his music and I hate to say I like it (hand in feminist badge). There is a discord between the character he plays on screen, Donald in interviews and his rap persona.
xpirate_queenx 2nd-Nov-2011 03:55 pm (UTC)
I'm rational enough to know that actors and the characters they play aren't the same person, but...damn. Troy is so goofy and loveable, and Childish is so angry.
laurie_springs 2nd-Nov-2011 04:58 pm (UTC)
Well you can be both. Donald's a nice guy but he has some underlying issues he only seems to deal with in his music. And that makes sense because before this year it really was something he did for himself and a few friends to hear.
laurie_springs 2nd-Nov-2011 04:48 pm (UTC)
Honestly, Troy (and the writers of Community) have said some pretty misgoynistic things, too.

It's surprising than fans of a show where, in the bloopers, Alison pretends to come out of a bathroom stall after being raped for giggles from everyone around, are so surprised by he content of his music.

And I say that as someone who enjoys the show despite those things.
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