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12:33 am - 12/30/2009

The rise of mid-life lesbians (Goldfrapp comes out)



For many people, the thrill of the recent revelation that the writer Jeanette Winterson is dating Susie Orbach is that Orbach is not some bolshie 20-year-old with tats and piercings who is declaring she’s a dyke and running off to do queer performance art in Dalston.

This is about the nice lady in your street who puts out her recycling bins, gives dinner parties, reads the good newspapers and, one day, leaves her male partner of many years and runs off with someone the bad papers would describe as a “notorious lesbian”.


Orbach, 63, the psychologist and author of the classic Fat Is a Feminist Issue, is the latest in a new wave of late-flowering lesbians, who often leave their husbands after having children together.

Check out Mary Portas, 49, who divorced her husband of 13 years in the 1990s and now lives with her two children and her glamorous girlfriend, the Grazia fashion writer Melanie Rickey. Or the 43-year-old singer Alison Goldfrapp, famous for teasing audiences into a dark sexual frenzy, who recently embarked on a relationship with Lisa Gunning, the hip film editor who worked on Sam Taylor-Wood’s John Lennon movie, Nowhere Boy.

As if to remind us that lesbian love is for ever lurking, on New Year’s Eve ITV1 presents us with Joanna Briscoe’s Sleep with Me, an erotic drama involving a middle-class woman whose relationship with her boyfriend is shattered when she falls obsessively for another woman.

Back in the 1990s, when the phrase “lipstick lesbian” was coined, Martina Navratilova and kd lang were pretty much the only lesbians anyone had ever heard of. Things are different now — and, once you have good role models, it appears that the floodgates open.

This month, in America, 62-year-old Meredith Baxter, famous as the hippie mom in the 1980s Michael J Fox vehicle Family Ties, also came out. The thrice-married actress is a big name over there, making this the biggest lesbian story since Sex and the City’s Cynthia Nixon, 43, left the father of her two kids to make a go of it with the unapologetically butch Christine Marinoni.

Last month, Baxter and the Top Gun diva Kelly McGillis (another recent midlife lezza) were spotted together on board the Sweet Caribbean Cruise for lesbians, appearing, said the National Enquirer, “very relaxed and comfortable”.

You bet they were comfortable. Just ask Jennifer, a 41-year-old divorced mother of three from Manchester. She says she often finds herself being approached by women — usually describing themselves as bisexual, and often with a man in the background they’re cheating on.

“You don’t feel like you’re being used for sex when you have sex with a woman,” she says. “Maybe it’s because women are on the same wavelength. We’re nicer to each other.”

Or ask Sarah, a 40-year-old costume designer. Her 14-year-old daughter encouraged her to go out more when she split with her husband of 15 years. She didn’t mind that many of her mother’s friends were lesbians, and Sarah soon found herself having a string of affairs.

“Hanging out with lesbians is sort of like an X-rated Malory Towers — sort of mischievous and sexy,” she says. “The icing on the cake is that you don’t need contraception and there’s less chance of getting a sexually transmitted disease.”

Sharon Stone has another take on the allure of lesbian love. Two years ago, she confessed to me in an interview that some of her best dates had been with “butch lesbians”, because they know how to take control. “Everybody is bisexual to a certain area on the scale,” she said. “I like masculinity and, in truth, only women do that now. If you go out on a date with women, then women take you. They date you. They call you up and say ‘I’m going to pick you up at ­seven’, and you don’t have to say where you want to go, and they take you to somewhere great and you can dress like a chick.”

Men, on the other hand, she declared, have become “much more ‘fem’. They don’t know who to be and how to get their life together, and they can’t make a decision, and I find that such a turn-off”.

The neurologist Dr Louann Brizendine writes, in The Female Brain, that 40-plus women get itchy feet because they stop producing the hormones that make them want to nurture and coddle needy husbands. When I first started dating men after 15 years of having relationships only with women, a straight friend took me aside and pointed out that, in reality, men were more like women are supposed to be: needy, insecure and vain.

The middle-aged, middle-class well of loneliness that is Mumsnet can vouch for that. There you find many lesbian-fantasy posts, from the “My fantasies about women have been a boon to my married sex life” type to the “I am overwhelmingly attrac­ted to a woman and my feelings are all over the place” cry for help. Stan­dard advice is to berate any would-be Orbachs with a “Shame on you” line about how bad it is to cheat on your husband and kids.

Perhaps this isn’t such bad news for “real” lesbians, because how do you know these straight girls aren’t merely looking for some exotic midlife fling? “My advice to lesbians is ‘Don’t do it!’,” says one dyke mate. “Straight women always go back to men and it’s just self-destructive for us.” She points out that one of Winterson’s other ­apparently hetero­sexual conquests, the late literary agent Pat Kavanagh, went back to her husband, Julian Barnes, shortly after she left him.

Maybe it depends on the type of late-flowering lesbian you are. Jennifer admits she is a bit of a “fence jumper”. Although she sometimes fantasises about setting up home with another woman (“It seems so much more perfect. You’d share the ironing and looking after the kids and stuff, wouldn’t you?”), she confesses that her ideal — after her recent marital difficulties — would be to “live platonically with another woman”.

It’s the “out of the blue” lesbians such as Nixon who are the most refreshing, and who often stay the course. She has said of her relationship with Marinoni: “In terms of sexual orientation, I don’t really feel I’ve changed. I’m just a woman in love with another woman.” In spring, she announced that she and Marinoni were engaged.

As for the feminist psychotherapist Orbach, the odds are looking good. Described by a friend who knows her as “serious and right-on”, she is not an unlikely candidate to run off with a woman. She certainly seems to be the one wearing the trousers in this ­par­ticular relationship. Winterson recently declared that the single thing that would improve the quality of her life would be “if I could get my girlfriend to live in the country (goodbye M40)”.

And the most tantalising thing for us onlookers is that, unlike Winterson, Orbach is keeping resolutely mum about the whole ­exciting package that is new love. Not only that — and here I speak from experience — but the double whammy of it. Because, if you’re a woman sleeping with a woman for the first time, it’s like discovering sex all over again.


Source: http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article6964902.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

As a lesbian, I say YAY for everyone coming out! And Goldfrapp is in a same sex relationship? Awesome!
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[info]chelzeee 30th-Dec-2009 06:57 am (UTC)


good for her
[info]yosupamanda 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
did you make your icon? snooki just tweeted it not too long ago.
[info]chelzeee 30th-Dec-2009 07:00 am (UTC)
haha yeah I did. I commented about it on her facebook fan page.
[info]il0veyou4 30th-Dec-2009 06:58 am (UTC)
well that's nice
[info]iheartweasleys 30th-Dec-2009 07:29 am (UTC)
your icon is so cute!
is that rdj?
[info]means_toanend 20th-Jul-2010 11:05 pm (UTC)
omg can you please tell me where you got your icon?
[info]omg_its_drj 30th-Dec-2009 06:58 am (UTC)
Anne Heche did it first.
[info]ultravlntmoloko 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
I thought Ellen did it first
[info]omg_its_drj 30th-Dec-2009 07:02 am (UTC)
actually now that i think about it, i think Melissa Etheridge did...
[info]prettykitty90 30th-Dec-2009 07:09 am (UTC)
Oh hey Mercury!
[info]daftylion 30th-Dec-2009 06:58 am (UTC)
Congrats to her! :)
[info]demistan 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
long article is long. but good for you alison. i can't believe she's 43. bitch is fierce, respect.
[info]jxcka 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
im delusional i thought she was in her 20s.
[info]demistan 30th-Dec-2009 07:01 am (UTC)
so did i, christ.
[info]potter_addict 30th-Dec-2009 07:19 am (UTC)
I did too.
[info]oblivious_frog 30th-Dec-2009 07:41 am (UTC)
That's what I came here to say.
Lol.
[info]lnb613 30th-Dec-2009 07:44 am (UTC)
lol, so did i
[info]anakisa 30th-Dec-2009 11:51 am (UTC)
so did i!
[info]ultravlntmoloko 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
Aw, I used to think of her as an androgynous little pixie but I'm happy if she's happy. You go Alison Goldfrapp!
[info]grammaire 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
I only know one Goldfrapp song but I love the shit out of it.

[info]khd 30th-Dec-2009 07:08 am (UTC)
just realized I subconsciously ripped all my dance moves from liz lemon
[info]grammaire 30th-Dec-2009 07:12 am (UTC)
Oh, I totally do to. She is my inspiration, both on the dance floor and off.
[info]oblivious_frog 30th-Dec-2009 07:43 am (UTC)
Watching this now I realize you're not alone.
That and the Tracy/Conan scenese are gold.
[info]hopeandmemory 30th-Dec-2009 03:45 pm (UTC)
me too. crumping is about the only dancing i can do.

also, jane krakowski is a hot bitch. girl can dance!
[info]catiram23 31st-Dec-2009 05:12 am (UTC)
thank you for putting this in my life
[info]ireadyou_right 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
i love alison sfm.
[info]astormatsea 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
too gay;didn't read
[info]jxcka 30th-Dec-2009 07:02 am (UTC)
lol irl
[info]radical_ed57 30th-Dec-2009 07:11 am (UTC)
LOL, bb.
[info]juanitatequila 30th-Dec-2009 07:17 am (UTC)
LOL!!!
[info]kimnrowdy 30th-Dec-2009 07:27 am (UTC)
BRB, LOL IRL!!
[info]twirlability 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
dude. this means I could potentially have a shot with goldfrapp.

BEST DAY OF MY LIFE.
[info]fabnana 30th-Dec-2009 02:01 pm (UTC)
EXACT SAME THOUGHT WENT THROUGH MY HEAD
[info]aashleyy87 30th-Dec-2009 06:59 am (UTC)
as another lesbian, i say about timeee.
[info]hugmeimdirty 30th-Dec-2009 07:00 am (UTC)
we're pilots watching stars...<333
[info]ultra_obscene84 30th-Dec-2009 09:20 am (UTC)
The world preoccupied...&hearts

That song is such amazingness.
[info]carazon 30th-Dec-2009 02:08 pm (UTC)
Best Goldfrapp song ever.
[info]eekitsamy 30th-Dec-2009 07:01 am (UTC)
I loled at the recycling bit.
[info]portmanteaux 30th-Dec-2009 07:02 am (UTC)
Am I the only one who found the tone of this article offensive?
[info]twirlability 30th-Dec-2009 07:03 am (UTC)
nope.
[info]talkaboutmoi 30th-Dec-2009 07:04 am (UTC)
no i kind of felt like i was reading the longest, bitchiest back-handed compliment ever.
[info]therachael 30th-Dec-2009 02:20 pm (UTC)
this
[info]reddressorblue 30th-Dec-2009 07:05 am (UTC)
Nope, it rubbed me in a weird way.
[info]teflondawn 30th-Dec-2009 07:08 am (UTC)
No. No, you are not. As much as I appreciate the news about Goldfrapp, as a whole this article is weird.
[info]dreamsofcode 30th-Dec-2009 07:09 am (UTC)
I felt like I Kissed A Girl should have been playing in the background while reading bits and pieces of this article.
[info]mindofthebeheld 30th-Dec-2009 07:10 am (UTC)
Nope
[info]rhapsodeeinblue 30th-Dec-2009 07:11 am (UTC)
Now that I've read it... no.
[info]leonardbriscoe 30th-Dec-2009 07:12 am (UTC)
I did, but then I wondered - am I just trying to find something offensive about it and reading into it too much? I was really annoyed at the last bit about the "women are more masculine, I can just let the other person do everything and 'dress like a chick' - what the hell was that about? I mean... it shouldn't matter how you dress - if you're going to date a person, you're going to date them. I'm bi, I don't have "girl date clothes" and "guy date clothes"

Wut.
[info]radical_ed57 30th-Dec-2009 07:13 am (UTC)
Read back over it. Yeah. I'm getting that tone now. >_>
[info]luxis_lil 30th-Dec-2009 07:19 am (UTC)
The Sharon Stone comments sounded a little not right to me.
[info]simplychristina 30th-Dec-2009 07:21 am (UTC)
Nope.
[info]whatwouldwasdo 30th-Dec-2009 07:31 am (UTC)
nope


MEN R SEX-CRAZED BUFFOONS LOL!!!1
[info]dealatedwren 30th-Dec-2009 07:42 am (UTC)
nopeeee
[info]flirflir 30th-Dec-2009 07:43 am (UTC)
no, while i was reading it i was like :/
[info]bertiedav 30th-Dec-2009 07:45 am (UTC)
no :(
[info]memento 30th-Dec-2009 07:50 am (UTC)
No it's fucking shit.
[info]nomoneyfun 30th-Dec-2009 08:12 am (UTC)
it definitely is. it brings up interesting issues but the overall tone of it is really condescending and belittling of lesbians.
[info]suzycat 30th-Dec-2009 08:18 am (UTC)
I found it offensive on a lot of levels, yeah.
[info]mistyraven 30th-Dec-2009 08:37 am (UTC)
I didn't, but I can definitely see how it could be... :O
[info]coyotesuspect 30th-Dec-2009 09:18 am (UTC)
The implication that it's not cheating if you're doing it with another woman kind of bothered me. : /
[info]burningmarl 30th-Dec-2009 10:29 am (UTC)
I read it on paper as my parents get the Times (vom) and because it was the Times I was kind of expecting it to be offensive...so at least it wasn't a disappointing article!!
[info]maribarbola 30th-Dec-2009 12:18 pm (UTC)
No,you aren't the only one.
[info]jorajo 30th-Dec-2009 01:55 pm (UTC)
No. I feel like they might as well have pre-empted every little bit of information on the women with "ALLEGED LESBIAN". It comes off sounding like a lot of women are just trying on the shoes without intending to purchase them, if that makes sense.
[info]watermeloncholy 30th-Dec-2009 03:30 pm (UTC)
No, I'm also baffled at how they blatantly skipped over the concept of bisexuality.

It's very poorly-written.
[info]hollis1975 30th-Dec-2009 03:45 pm (UTC)
nope it felt patronizing and back handed in a weird way
[info]_stargazing 30th-Dec-2009 08:00 pm (UTC)
Definitely not. There are so many offensive things in this article, I feel like I've been insulted on almost every level. I half expected there to be something about all lesbians having buzz cuts and being fat.
[info]sassydash 30th-Dec-2009 08:46 pm (UTC)
It reads to me maybe a bit...condescending? Like, "oh lesbian relationships are real ones women are nice to you they're direct men are wussy asses etc etc".

Can we please talk up one sexuality/sex without degrading another ffs.
[info]arcadiaego 31st-Dec-2009 12:51 am (UTC)
I thought the 'hey, lesbians look just like normal people' opening to be stupid, but the rest was just badly written; I couldn't grasp what its point was.
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