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Margaret Cho Comments on the Harajuku Girls



10/31/05
Harajuku Girls

Gwen Stefani's Harajuku girls have been getting lots of lip service lately, and I have to say I am confused.

I like Gwen Stefani, she's alright. She is very stylish and has a nice voice and a really flat stomach. She is a rock star, and quite good at it. I am always impressed by her platinum hair and her incredibly organized steamer trunks. She keeps all her wristbands in separate zip-lock bags. I too have lots of nice things, but they are all getting moth eaten and mashed together in a pile on my closet floor. I could never understand the concept of a pair: of shoes, gloves, stockings, earrings, hearts, whatever. How can you possibly keep two separate and entirely whole things together in the crazy whirling world we live in? Anyway, Gwen manages to do it all with great panache.

Now she has 4 things all together, the Harajuku Girls. I want to like them, and I want to think they are great, but I am not sure if I can. I mean, racial stereotypes are really cute sometimes, and I don't want to bum everyone out by pointing out the minstrel show. I think it is totally acceptable to enjoy the Harajuku girls, because there are not that many other Asian people out there in the media really, so we have to take whatever we can get. Amos 'n Andy had lots of fans, didn't they? At least it is a measure of visibility, which is much better than invisibility. I am so sick of not existing, that I would settle for following any white person around with an umbrella just so I could say I was there.

It is weird being Asian American right now, because I don't exactly know what my place is. America is supposed to be for everyone, and people are supposed to treat me like I belong here, and yet you would never know that from watching tv or movies. I still get the questions about where I am really from. Then when I try to explain this feeling of invisibility to those whose every move and moment is entirely visible, they come back at me with, "Maybe Asian Americans don't want to be in entertainment!" Yes he really said that. I just screamed, because there was no other way I could answer without hitting him.

Even though to me, a Japanese schoolgirl uniform is kind of like blackface, I am just in acceptance over it, because something is better than nothing. An ugly picture is better than a blank space, and it means that one day, we will have another display at the Museum of Asian Invisibility, that groups of children will crowd around in disbelief, because once upon a time, we weren't there.



Margaret Cho's Blog:
http://www.margaretcho.net/blog/
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julezroxursox 1st-Nov-2005 04:41 am (UTC)
thats margaret cho!?

gah damn she looks different
push_itrealgood 1st-Nov-2005 07:01 am (UTC)
That's what Austin Young doesss.
reptilegrrl 1st-Nov-2005 09:57 am (UTC)
That's what cheek liposuction does :) I know she is sucking them in in thatpic, but her whole face looks different.
burnbabyburn 1st-Nov-2005 10:18 am (UTC)
she lost a lot of weight
hiphopdiary 1st-Nov-2005 05:32 am (UTC)
werd.

but japanese "street" fashion always seems creeeepily minstrelish to me- i loved that video where they had her harajuku girls dressed like cholas in the back of that low rider. talk about freakily mixed cultural signifiers!
sexy_rebexy 1st-Nov-2005 07:17 am (UTC)
ha! you said chola :)
feignedjoy 1st-Nov-2005 03:46 pm (UTC)
SERIOUSLY!!!! i've been bitching about the fucking harajuku girls forever.
ladyartemisa 1st-Nov-2005 03:49 pm (UTC)
agreed.
cattikins 1st-Nov-2005 04:42 am (UTC)
I love her.
pangea_tongue 1st-Nov-2005 04:43 am (UTC)
Yet another reason to love Margaret Cho.
missslet 1st-Nov-2005 04:44 am (UTC)
OMG lol
mrmidwest 1st-Nov-2005 04:46 am (UTC)
Or maybe you're just choosing to overlook the problems.
bethel 1st-Nov-2005 04:54 am (UTC)
WORD
ladycakes 1st-Nov-2005 05:36 am (UTC)
a-fucking-men
niwakun 1st-Nov-2005 06:00 am (UTC)
ditto.
coyotebrat 1st-Nov-2005 10:08 pm (UTC)
Preach! There's a horrible lack of minorities in entertainment that aren't portraying a stereotype.
cimarosa 1st-Nov-2005 04:50 am (UTC)
...wait, is she for real?
a_dream_obscene 1st-Nov-2005 05:02 am (UTC)
Veronica Mars said it best...

"Congratulations! You've been named the world's biggest cockroach. This award is given in recognition in yor unparalled lack of decency and humanity. Bravo. You're going to die friendless and alone. "
not_kosher 1st-Nov-2005 05:08 am (UTC)
agreed 100%
_damaged___ 1st-Nov-2005 05:13 am (UTC)
Why you decided to open your mouth to spew stupidity...I will never understand
ladycakes 1st-Nov-2005 05:36 am (UTC)
whoa....you are a ginormous shitbag
evenifitsunday 1st-Nov-2005 05:37 am (UTC)
i don't see how anything about what she said translated into her "playing the victim"...i usually don't really like cho but she actually handled this well and made a great point without being blatantly offended/rude/dramatic/loud about it. so kudos for her.

now, if she had said something like "big fat asian whore mouth" within the context of what she was talking about...i could understand your problem. because caqlling someone a "big fat asian whore mouth" really makes one sound ridiculous.
evenifitsunday 1st-Nov-2005 05:38 am (UTC)
that being said...i don't like ms. cho either and would usually resort to calling her names.
mad_boi_dave 1st-Nov-2005 06:17 am (UTC)
How does this problem not exist? How often do you see Asian Americans in mainstream media NOT doing kung fu or karate or conforming to any other stereotype. She doesn't seem to be playing the victim, just stating the obvious.
aliceisdead 1st-Nov-2005 07:34 am (UTC)
Ha.



Even though I'm only a quarter Japanese I still felt a bit offended by the Harajuku Girls song because... well SUPPER KAWAII!!!


*falmpalm*
ohtedium 1st-Nov-2005 08:25 am (UTC)
I love your my space profile.
superpchan 1st-Nov-2005 08:32 am (UTC)
Or you're just ignorant and like to whitewash over social issues.
xellegirlx 1st-Nov-2005 05:54 pm (UTC)
I could give you the excuse that because you're white you haven't noticed how few asian people there are in the media... Basically just token asians here and there.

But I don't think that's a worthy excuse.

So tell me, are you playing dumb or is this the real deal?
loveisink68 1st-Nov-2005 05:55 pm (UTC)
Well I see the bigger picture she's talking about, but in this case I really don't see a problem or a victim- the Harajuku girls are grown women- no one's making them do what they do.
spacetiger 1st-Nov-2005 10:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, don't worry about it, social stereotypes are your friend, and it's OKAY to be stupid! Embrace the ignorance! Embrace, embrace, embrace.



I think it would be far more exciting to debate the "race" issue with someone who has far more intelligent things to say than "LYKE OMG SHE IZ SCUH AN AZN WHORE OMG DIE CUZ UR LYKE STOOPID AND UGLYYYY".

COME ON PEOPLE, YOU'RE BORING ME HERE!
havesomecocoa 2nd-Nov-2005 04:16 am (UTC)
"i think she should stop trying to see problems where they don't exist."


Open your fucking eyes.

When was the last time you saw an Asian actor that was not being exploited? Hell, when was the last time you saw an Asian playing a leading role who was not a kung fu master, ninja, s&m vixen, imperial, vietnam whore, victim, the nerd, prodigal musican, sex slave, etc?

Yeah, there is a problem. People dont see Asian Americans as Americans. They will always be Ninjas.
robot_hanabi 1st-Nov-2005 04:43 am (UTC)
I think it is totally acceptable to enjoy the Harajuku girls, because there are not that many other Asian people out there in the media really, so we have to take whatever we can get.

How funny, yet sad.

Cho rocks.
makedonikos 1st-Nov-2005 05:01 am (UTC)
Your icon also rocks. :)
robot_hanabi 1st-Nov-2005 05:19 am (UTC)
I thought I was the only one with my icon picture. =(
*feels unoriginal*
novaeris where is that from?1st-Nov-2005 01:50 pm (UTC)
Ive only seen it on here...
lovedhurtlost 1st-Nov-2005 04:13 pm (UTC)
I like yours
kidviciousdonna 1st-Nov-2005 05:11 am (UTC)
whats the story behind your icon?
jubibean 1st-Nov-2005 11:18 am (UTC)
SHIINA!!! :)
jubibean 1st-Nov-2005 11:18 am (UTC)
PS: Can I snatch your icon? I'll credit..?
faeriebloody 1st-Nov-2005 04:44 am (UTC)
Margaret Cho sounds like she's on crack... Japanese schoolgirl outfit and blackface are not even remotely the same kind of thing... and isn't she Chinese-American?
_jessicaface 1st-Nov-2005 04:45 am (UTC)
korean-american
xxpinkxx 1st-Nov-2005 04:46 am (UTC)
Shes Korean
wanderingrogue 1st-Nov-2005 04:46 am (UTC)
and isn't she Chinese-American?

Margaret Cho is Korean-American.

Try watching I'm the One That I Want some time.
robot_hanabi 1st-Nov-2005 04:47 am (UTC)
Well, they both incorportate stereotypes. But personally, I think blackface is much more offensive.

And she's Korean.
__elementary 1st-Nov-2005 05:14 am (UTC)
exactly. it's like asians can follow around a white girl and get paid to be silent and it's acceptable because they're asian (and being silent only plays into the stereotype) and we all know that it'd be different if she was paying a group of african-american girls to do the same thing.
theonlykow 1st-Nov-2005 05:32 am (UTC)
I don't think it's even remotely racist. Harajuku Girls are a representation of the style of the same name, not a subjectification of asians in any form.
ladycakes 1st-Nov-2005 05:38 am (UTC)
*cringe*

You are dumb.
thecwqpoet 1st-Nov-2005 06:45 am (UTC)
Well technically, if blackface can be applied to an entire continent (I think sometimes people forget that Africa isn't just a country. Not saying you do.), this should be applicable to all Asian-Americans, whether or not I agree with her.
superpchan 1st-Nov-2005 08:34 am (UTC)
Maybe she meant how some think of the Japanese schoolgirl uniform as a representation of Japanese culture (when it's not the only thing). And how "blackface" (or the color of skin) is the only thing representative of African-Americans.
albeit_ 1st-Nov-2005 10:00 pm (UTC)
they are kind of...the big difference is that the harajuku girls are actually japanese. if they were white, it would be a different story.
faeriebloody I forgot that she was Korean1st-Nov-2005 11:49 pm (UTC)
Sorry everyone.. I had forgotten that she was Korean..
I was a big fan of Margaret Cho but it seems to me that she is beyond stretching it on this point. I don't know anyone Asian who associates Japanese school girls as even remotely like black face. They are part of the japanese culture but that doesn't mean that every time someone thinks of a Japanese woman they are are stereotypically thinking of a woman in a schoolgirl outfit... I wonder if that is what Margaret pictures when she pictures a Japanese woman... If that is so.. then who is the racist?
tartpants 1st-Nov-2005 04:44 am (UTC)
Love how she picks up on the "accessory" quality of those girls: nothing more than wristbands in zip-lock bags! Harajuku girls are so last season, Gwen! Eskimos are where it's at.
saintface 1st-Nov-2005 07:03 am (UTC)
i must've been the last person on the planet to catch onto the fact that 'eskimo' is considered derogatory, even racist terminology.
rotaryshakes 1st-Nov-2005 09:03 am (UTC)
paul is so hot there
kimberleygrace 1st-Nov-2005 02:30 pm (UTC)
*Ahem* You mean Inuit by now, my friend. Liek OMG, it's 2005 and shit :)
dream86 1st-Nov-2005 04:45 am (UTC)
I don't really get wants wrong with those girls being there. please don't reply with hate comments, someone just try to explain why some people are upset about them.
i_said_boourns 1st-Nov-2005 04:47 am (UTC)
I can see why some people would be upset, seeing them as stereotypes or some other reason others have cited, but the girls are there by choice, so meh.
mrmidwest 1st-Nov-2005 04:48 am (UTC)
But is their choice holding back the Asian community as a whole? Maybe they're only thinking of their own success. Just a thought.
run_atreyu 1st-Nov-2005 01:05 pm (UTC)
They're there by choice, but how much is it a "choice" when there are limitations placed on that by society? I mean, women in some countries choose to wear full-body veils, but that isn't a free choice. Similarly, plenty of women choose to strip for money, but if we lived in a society that didn't objectify the female form it would be a different story.

Plenty of people make choices that they feel are the best for them, but that doesn't mean that social forces aren't driving those choices. If I could get good money being one of Gwen's Harajuku Girls, I might well consider it, even though it's a negative thing in general for people of my race - it would depend on the options available and how aware I was of the message I would be sending.
tartpants 1st-Nov-2005 04:47 am (UTC)
Because hiring people to be your accessories is demeaning and dehumanizing? Stick to little dogs in purses, or something!


Okay... so I wouldn't mind being an accessory if the money was good. But I'm white! It's okay to fetishize me!
maeir 1st-Nov-2005 04:47 am (UTC)
see the comment above yours.
rainy_sunday 1st-Nov-2005 04:48 am (UTC)
I'm not positive, but I think it's because the Harajuku girls are kind of like, a characature of what Asian people actually are.
maeir 1st-Nov-2005 04:51 am (UTC)
Also it's stupid and the girls look stupid. It does not represent the awsomeness of Harajuku and Japanese fashion and just seems like Gwen is trying to hard to pimp out the asian trend.
springandsummer 1st-Nov-2005 04:56 am (UTC)
Well, part of it is that she fucked up the idea. From what I understand, Harajuku (which is an area in Tokyo) is known for its very individual fashion statements. Gwen's Harajuku girls though, seem like they're in Destiny's Child with their dressing-in-a-theme.

Then there's the fact that really? They're pets. They stand there, look pretty, pose, giggle, and don't say anything. She dresses them up and takes them on walks. They even have (rather stupid) names.

I don't see how the Japanese school uniform is a variant on blackface, but I'm Whitey McWhiteAmerican.
pupilsindenial It's Dehumanizing1st-Nov-2005 04:58 am (UTC)
What's wrong with those girls being there is that they act simply as accessories to Gwen - nonspeaking, nonhuman accessories whose only job it is to stand around (read: behind) Gwen almost as pets. If Gwen were simply interested in Japanese culture, that would be fine. Great. Pay homage to Harajuku street fashion. Dress like the Japanese girls do. But what she does when she brings her painted up dolls to these events is treating them as inhuman nonentities. Even though they are human beings, they don't act as humans do: they don't speak or have individual personalities of their own. Gwen reduces the girls to their Asian otherness, parading them around as cartoonish parodies of what a hip Japanese girl is. Though I think the analogy to blackface is a bit strong, ther is no doubt a level of ignorance and prejudice at play that nobody has pointed out. Good for you, Margaret Cho.
ohsnap 2nd-Nov-2005 02:00 am (UTC)
Margaret Cho explained it pretty well. Try reading it again?
xxpinkxx 1st-Nov-2005 04:45 am (UTC)
I fucking love her.
whitecanary 1st-Nov-2005 04:45 am (UTC)
She is very stylish and has a nice voice and a really flat stomach.
ahahahahahahahahahh
fornikate 1st-Nov-2005 04:08 pm (UTC)
I snickered.
missindependent 1st-Nov-2005 04:45 am (UTC)
That's the most intelligent thing I've read in awhile.
maeir 1st-Nov-2005 04:46 am (UTC)
SO true so (sad *shakes head*) true.

and for the record I HATE THE HARAJUKU MUTE BAND of STEFANI GIRLS!!! Gwen this was the stupidest idea you ever had at trying to be cool/fashionable.
gaburieru_ 1st-Nov-2005 04:48 am (UTC)
did she lose weight? margaret cho, that is.
wanderingrogue 1st-Nov-2005 04:51 am (UTC)
She lost quite a bit a year or so ago. People are still calling her "fat" along with a variety of other unsavory epithets, however.
gaburieru_ 1st-Nov-2005 05:02 am (UTC)
she looks pretty damn good.
wanderingrogue 1st-Nov-2005 04:49 am (UTC)
Love me some Ms. Cho. :)
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